Did Jesus Have an Advantage over Pre-Fall Adam During the Incarnation?

I appreciate what you have said here but I'm not comparing God to His creation. If I thought Jesus lived His life as God during the Incarnation, I would not even think to ask the question if He had an advantage as it would be nonsensical.

"That's not an advantage, that's cheating."

C'mon, be sensible. Jesus is suppose to be like us in every way except without sin which means he was born exactly as Adam was created. As far as you are concerned Jesus can have innate knowledge at birth, knowledge that Adam would have had to learn that can only be possible if He draws upon His own Deity to inform Him rather then learning from the scriptures.

Jesus was born as Adam was created which is why the comparison can only be valid between Him and Adam pre-fall. You seem to want to keep ignoring the comparison isn't between us and Christ. It's obvious Christ had an advantage over fallen man.

He had the same advantages over Adam. Christ can't be compared to anyone else because he was never just a man. He was God the Son, the Messiah the prophets spoke of, and he died as the spotless/sinless Lamb for our sins.

Nope. That doesn't come from the bible. This does:

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

He was not supposed to be "like us in every way" and he certain was not, thank God for that! He was tempted like we are, but he overcame those temptations.

Well, if Christ used His Deity to live the perfect human life then there isn't much hope for us following in His footsteps.

He overcame those temptations in the exact same manner we can overcome and Adam should have, by the grace of God through faith. He didn't overcome because He is God, that would be cheating as God cannot be tempted, so to keep pointing to His deity as being an advantage is nonsense.

That makes no sense. We aren't following Christ to be perfect like he was or be Gods. We are imperfect and follow the best we can, sinning and asking to be forgiven.



Being God and knowing that is an automatic advantage that cannot be denied.

You honestly think that being destined to the full stature of Christ is so we never reach perfection? I don't know about you, but I'm striving to win this race and receive the prize. What a tragedy it would be if, upon receiving our resurrection bodies, our characters are only half baked.

If Jesus was "in touch" with His Deity at all times and therefore knowing He was God at all times, why did He lie when he said "He did not know the hour or day of His return"? As God, He knew.

It would be if he was relying upon His own Deity. My argument is that He never did during the Incarnation but relied upon God the Father and Spirit. He had no more advantage other than what can be acquired naturally through obedience to the Father's word.

This is just denying he didn't use all the advantages he had access to. He still had advantages. You can't be God and that not be an advantage to you. He didn't need faith because he KNEW what was true which is just one of many advantages he had.

He had the Spirit without measure. That alone makes his advantage infinitely more.

He didn't need faith??? Faith is knowing with certainty.

Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.

How was that more advantage than walking in the garden with the Lord?

It's the difference between having ice cream in your bowl or in your mouth.

Not sure that is a good analogy as icecream in my mouth hurts my teeth.

It still doesn't really answer how it is different in practical terms though. Personally, if I had to choose based on my limited knowledge, I'd go for physically walking with the Lord.

One focuses on the natural and the other, the unseen. One is with God; the other is a partaker of the divine nature. One can mimic God's behavior; the other has God living in and through them. One has the power of God with them; the other has the power of God at work in them.
For me it's not even close.

No.

Not sure I can agree the Lord walking in the garden was "natural". We have God living in us now yet I would much rather go home and be face to face with the Lord.

Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

Makes me wonder what you think of Christ's humanity. You said yourself He lived as a man yet you think this man didn't need faith.

I honestly have no idea what to make of that?



You make it sound like He only pretended to be a man.

Sure, because you get both at that point. And perhaps there is more to God indwelling in you than you have yet to come to know.

Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit.

God was manifest in the flesh which Jesus is a visible image of the invisible God.

God laid down His life for us, and purchased the Church with His own blood.

Which Jesus is the fulness of the Godhead bodily, which He has the Spirit without measure, and it pleased the Father that in Him all fulness shall dwell.

The man Christ Jesus is the personal human body of God.

Of course He had an advantage, and He could not sin which the Bible says He was tempted in all points like we are but without sin.

Jesus was always led of the Spirit nothing wavering.

Which the Bible says a Spirit led person will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh, for they have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Jesus said He did not come to destroy the law, but He came to fulfill it.

Which He is the perfect King, Prophet, High Priest, Saint, Mediator, Savior, a sinless man, the temple, and the sacrifice.

But He has not fulfilled the role of perfect King which must be done on Earth which that is what the millennial reign is about, and when He does that then heaven and earth shall pass away, and there will be a new heaven and earth.

Which He had to do everything a person had to do to be right with God for people to receive salvation, and He had to do it for His whole earthly life.

It has to take a sinless man that never sinned in order for mankind to receive salvation.

No person is sinless so God manifest Himself in flesh and became the sinless man, which He reconciled the world unto Himself in the person of Jesus Christ, God and man in harmony, and all who are led of the Spirit being Christlike is in harmony with God.

The Bible says Jesus dwells in the light whom no person can approach unto, and no person has seen Him, and no person will ever see Him for He is an invisible Spirit but He showed a visible image of Himself which we will see His visible image in heaven which is a glorified body which the saints will receive the same.