Did Jesus Have an Advantage over Pre-Fall Adam During the Incarnation?

Did Jesus ever say, "I forgive you of your sins?" He declared the forgiveness of His Father to people. "Your sins are forgiven you."

The reason why it isn't any easier having the Holy Spirit to helps us obey and keep from sin is because God hasn't taken away our free will. The Bible says that we can grieve the Holy Spirit, showing that it is possible to resist His work in us. This shows us that the Holy Spirit (and God the Father and the Lord Jesus) will not ever force us to do anything. We must be willing to submit to God in order for Him to work in us.

The Lord Jesus showed that it is possible to fully submit to the Holy Spirit which should be a great encouragement to us.


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Why don't you defend the charges, instead of resorting to the lowest common denominator. Let me guess you cand defend your false doctrine so you attack the the witness. You show no fear of God and your pride is highly offensive to God

The context is this thread. And if you knew the power of the Spirit, you would understand what an incredible advantage Jesus had in this regard.

This is what Jesus said Charlie


Luke 5:32

New International Version



32 I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”

OK, so you think Jesus cheated and pretended to feel pain and he cried crocodile tears and He faked His hunger for 40 days, while He feasted on Scotch Fillet Stake while nobody was watching.
Nah, that just doesn't line up with Gods Word.

Why would He call he righteous, who would He suffer and die for the righteous. Everybody knows the righteous don't need salvation, they are already just. Only sinners need salvation, so He came to save sinners.

How simple do you need scripture to be, it doesn't get any more simple.

But you just forgot one small insignificant detail, the problem Jesus has is righteous people don't exist. So He was saying I didn't come to save the tooth fairy, as that would be really dumb. God is not dumb, He's actually very intelligent so He wouldn't suffer for fictitious characters

This is a strange response to what I wrote. I don't believe any of those things. Like I said, you don't really understand the power of the Spirit.

From where did He get the authority to forgive sins? Did He do it on His own authority? As God, He needed nobody's permission. As God, He has all authority and yet we are told Jesus was given authority. He did not act as God, He acted as a man filled with the Spirit of God under the authority of God the Father.

Matthew 28:18
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

I can, for the very reasons I have given you.

What is this power you're talking about. It sounds like some kind of power to deceive. Jesus never hid the truth about who He is, He didn't play mind games or trick anyone.

But your reason is not based on the bible. It's just a personal opinion, we don't need to resort to private opinions about things scripture clearly teaches.

Again you err in thinking the worst. Have you never been led of the Spirit? Have you never lived, yet not you, but Christ is living in you? Have you never found strength to persevere when your flesh was too weak? Have you never struggled in a sin and known deliverance? Have you never gone through a difficult situation and found grace in your time of need?
If you ever do experience such power, you will desire to walk in it continually.

You have repeatedly proven yourself incapable of observing data from any other perspective than your own. I am wasting my time describing a perspective to you that differs from your own, as all you do is attack the differences, and pigeonhole them according to where they most comfortably fit within your caricatured menu of heresies. You have not been able as yet to adopt the other persons axioms and look at data through that different lens to see what conclusions and possibilities, whether new or old, that lens affords.

God will never take away our free will. We can't give and receive love without it. What makes you think He would?

The Son was God before incarnating, and after incarnating He remained the same person as had been God before incarnating. But He gave up His divine powers to become human. Platonist metaphysics can't handle a person who is God changing in any way, or having parts that can be divested and reinstated. So, Christians who are attached to the platonist stream of philosophy struggle to accept that The Son divested Himself of divine powers and relied on the Father's and the Holy Spirit's divine powers, during His forst 33 years as a human.

What did I write that makes you think I believe He would take it away from us???? 😲


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Are you kidding me? I gave you verse after verse showing how Jesus did nothing of Himself, hence His reliance on others ie. God the Father and Spirit. I have shown how all authority was given Him. God does not need to be given authority in anything. I directed you to post #85 which gave many scriptures showing Christ's submission to a higher power and authority.

You are the one giving personal opinion. You make a claim Jesus switched between being God and being man simply because he performed miracles. Have you not read of Moses or the Prophets? They performed many miracles, so one does not need to be God to perform miracles.

i don't know how anyone can possibly think being God is a disadvantage.

I suggest you read through the thread.