Predestination is misunderstood...

what a very unusual translation. did you write it yourself? it's notably missing the Greek words for IF and PERHAPS.

no haved to reformed to be transformed.

This is not addressing true Calvin correctly

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God predestined in Son Jesus to save us

God chose us not to simply save us.
But, because he knew we would believe? Hechose us in what manner we would be saved. "In Christ."

For not all believers in history were found in the Church. Moses is not the Bride of Christ.

As Adam was first and the woman was hidden in Adam...
So it is now for those in the Church.

For the Church is the Bride of Christ!

Think it over. We shall have a body just like His glorious body when we are resurrected.
Just like His!

And, what did Adam say when the woman was brought to him in Genesis 2:22-23?


And, for us? We shall be bones of His everlasting glorious bones, and everlasting glorious flesh of His everlasting body!

Because we are the Bride of Christ awaiting to be revealed in the Resurrection!
Chosen IN Him before the foundation of the earth. Ephesians 1:4!

The Resurrection will be like the Lord removing flesh and bone from Adam's side...
But it will be OUR GLORIOUS BODIES being made manifest for forever and ever!



That is what we were chosen IN Him for!

We have been predestined to be conformed to His image throughout all eternity!

OT saints will not have a resurrection body like we will.
They are not the Bride......


grace and peace .................

That means nothing ....
But it makes you feel good, like staring at some shiny object.

You don't believe there is a difference between chosen in Him and chosen to be in Him?

Im not concerned how the Greeks put repentance into a box with there understanding.

With this change your mind nonsense,


Repentance has to be genuine from the heart not this in your mind rubbish.

You have been miss representing Calvinists for weeks whilst acting as if you was a Calvinist.

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Stroll on 😊

I disagree with this, in a way. Repentance is a gift from God, not something we "do" ourselves, so "our" level of sincerity when we are granted repentance can be nothing but in sincerity, His sincerity. So from the human perspective and how we see it from our experience, I agree with you 100%. The only reason I even like making the distinction here is because this was a major area of misunderstanding when I thought I was saved and a Christian and wasn't.

I responded to the alter call, repeated the prayer, and was even baptized to seal it all up, and was as sincere as I could be when doing so. Yet was not saved. Then in contrast and 5 or 6 years later after a motorcycle wreak took all function from my right, and dominant, arm, and after 2 solid years of hating life and wanting to die in every way, except leaving my 2 sons in the world with there heads full of "dad killed himself", not to mention I knew that no other man on earth would love them like I did, I was stuck here hating life.

So on the day I hit my knees in repentance I had no clue what was really going on. All I knew was that "I" couldn't do it anymore and just wanted to quit. When I hit my knees I didn't even have God or Jesus in mind. I thought I'd already "done that" and it didn't help. So I hit my knees broken only seeing my greatness in truth, and when I did I broke down in a blathering mess on the floor. I saw that after 33 years of life on earth I was nothing, with no hope or future, with nothing at all to offer and not only that but was now a burden and embarrassment. I didn't call out Jesus, nor did I tell God I was "ready now", I just realized I couldn't do it in the most painful way. I picked myself up, dried myself off and went to bed.

I woke up the next day and went to work as always, only at lunch it hit me like a ton of bricks, after 2 years of suicidal thoughts at least every 5 minutes of every day going through my head uncontrollably, at lunch it hit me hard "I haven't thought about killing myself all day!!!" At this moment, lunch 9-29-13, I KNEW 2 things, #1 whatever this was, it was from God. #2 Jesus Christ is His Son. This was when I was made new, and why I can testify of NOTHING else but God grants us repentance, because I didn't do it AT ALL, and plus it's what His word says as well. So while I do agree that repentance can only come from a sincere heart, the heart is only sincere because God it pushing it through it.

I responded to the alter call, repeated the prayer, and was even baptized to seal it all up, and was as sincere as I could be when doing so. Yet was not saved.

I disagree with this, in a way. Repentance is a gift from God, not something we "do" ourselves, so "our" level of sincerity when we are granted repentance can be nothing but in sincerity, His sincerity. So from the human perspective and how we see it from our experience, I agree with you 100%. The only reason I even like making the distinction here is because this was a major area of misunderstanding when I thought I was saved and a Christian and wasn't.

I responded to the alter call, repeated the prayer, and was even baptized to seal it all up, and was as sincere as I could be when doing so. Yet was not saved. Then in contrast and 5 or 6 years later after a motorcycle wreak took all function from my right, and dominant, arm, and after 2 solid years of hating life and wanting to die in every way, except leaving my 2 sons in the world with there heads full of "dad killed himself", not to mention I knew that no other man on earth would love them like I did, I was stuck here hating life.

So on the day I hit my knees in repentance I had no clue what was really going on. All I knew was that "I" couldn't do it anymore and just wanted to quit. When I hit my knees I didn't even have God or Jesus in mind. I thought I'd already "done that" and it didn't help. So I hit my knees broken only seeing my greatness in truth, and when I did I broke down in a blathering mess on the floor. I saw that after 33 years of life on earth I was nothing, with no hope or future, with nothing at all to offer and not only that but was now a burden and embarrassment. I didn't call out Jesus, nor did I tell God I was "ready now", I just realized I couldn't do it in the most painful way. I picked myself up, dried myself off and went to bed.

I woke up the next day and went to work as always, only at lunch it hit me like a ton of bricks, after 2 years of suicidal thoughts at least every 5 minutes of every day going through my head uncontrollably, at lunch it hit me hard "I haven't thought about killing myself all day!!!" At this moment, lunch 9-29-13, I KNEW 2 things, #1 whatever this was, it was from God. #2 Jesus Christ is His Son. This was when I was made new, and why I can testify of NOTHING else but God grants us repentance, because I didn't do it AT ALL, and plus it's what His word says as well. So while I do agree that repentance can only come from a sincere heart, the heart is only sincere because God it pushing it through it.

No I haven't. You and others have Calvin on the brain. I've spoken concerning scripture.

yes you havé

Show where I did.

I disagree with this, in a way. Repentance is a gift from God, not something we "do" ourselves, so "our" level of sincerity when we are granted repentance can be nothing but in sincerity, His sincerity. So from the human perspective and how we see it from our experience, I agree with you 100%. The only reason I even like making the distinction here is because this was a major area of misunderstanding when I thought I was saved and a Christian and wasn't.

I responded to the alter call, repeated the prayer, and was even baptized to seal it all up, and was as sincere as I could be when doing so. Yet was not saved. Then in contrast and 5 or 6 years later after a motorcycle wreak took all function from my right, and dominant, arm, and after 2 solid years of hating life and wanting to die in every way, except leaving my 2 sons in the world with there heads full of "dad killed himself", not to mention I knew that no other man on earth would love them like I did, I was stuck here hating life.

So on the day I hit my knees in repentance I had no clue what was really going on. All I knew was that "I" couldn't do it anymore and just wanted to quit. When I hit my knees I didn't even have God or Jesus in mind. I thought I'd already "done that" and it didn't help. So I hit my knees broken only seeing my greatness in truth, and when I did I broke down in a blathering mess on the floor. I saw that after 33 years of life on earth I was nothing, with no hope or future, with nothing at all to offer and not only that but was now a burden and embarrassment. I didn't call out Jesus, nor did I tell God I was "ready now", I just realized I couldn't do it in the most painful way. I picked myself up, dried myself off and went to bed.

I woke up the next day and went to work as always, only at lunch it hit me like a ton of bricks, after 2 years of suicidal thoughts at least every 5 minutes of every day going through my head uncontrollably, at lunch it hit me hard "I haven't thought about killing myself all day!!!" At this moment, lunch 9-29-13, I KNEW 2 things, #1 whatever this was, it was from God. #2 Jesus Christ is His Son. This was when I was made new, and why I can testify of NOTHING else but God grants us repentance, because I didn't do it AT ALL, and plus it's what His word says as well. So while I do agree that repentance can only come from a sincere heart, the heart is only sincere because God it pushing it through it.

God chose us not to simply save us.
But, because he knew we would believe? Hechose us in what manner we would be saved. "In Christ."

For not all believers in history were found in the Church. Moses is not the Bride of Christ.

As Adam was first and the woman was hidden in Adam...
So it is now for those in the Church.

For the Church is the Bride of Christ!

Think it over. We shall have a body just like His glorious body when we are resurrected.
Just like His!

And, what did Adam say when the woman was brought to him in Genesis 2:22-23?


And, for us? We shall be bones of His everlasting glorious bones, and everlasting glorious flesh of His everlasting body!

Because we are the Bride of Christ awaiting to be revealed in the Resurrection!
Chosen IN Him before the foundation of the earth. Ephesians 1:4!

The Resurrection will be like the Lord removing flesh and bone from Adam's side...
But it will be OUR GLORIOUS BODIES being made manifest for forever and ever!



That is what we were chosen IN Him for!

We have been predestined to be conformed to His image throughout all eternity!

OT saints will not have a resurrection body like we will.
They are not the Bride......


grace and peace .................

foe weeks you have preached a false Calvin belief that people cant respond to God in fallen state

This is not true calvin

I've never claimed to be a Calvinist, nor have I ever claimed anything on behalf of Calvin. You and others are obsessed with Calvin. You see Calvinism under every rock.
Now...show me where I have represented or misrepresented Calvin in any way. Otherwise, you are bearing false witness.

Calvin is one of Christianity leading church fathers.

Calvin did not teach people can't hear God who are fallen

Only you is teaching this from the tulip,..which is not Calvin.

You have been preaching false Calvin for weeks.

I haven't said anything about Calvin. I've merely expressed my understanding of scripture. You brought in Calvin, not me. I preach Christ and Him crucified.
You have Calvin Derangement Syndrome.