Predestination is misunderstood...

And I have clearly explained man is not naturally depraved in his soul but his flesh is what is against the Spirit and when grace is applied to the flesh, man is free to reveal the true desires of his soul in regards to the truth for the Lord ensures man is free to decide to agree with God or disagree according to his own desire and not as he is enforced to by God's desires. If it were not so, there would be no battle between the flesh and the mind, not could there be any salvation for the soul would constantly be raging against God. The truth would have to literally imprison us to keep in step with God's will, not set us free.

You are free to think that way....
Aren't you?

I love being corrected but you have just proven that you believe the Arminian works based gospel. Where you and God work together to achieve salvation for you.

Your argument, contradicts what you claim, you claim that God offers you salvation and you can reject it or use your faith as a work and accept it. That means God meets you half way and you have to make the leap of faith and jump into the sea of Gallie and Jesus will catch you. So it's a joint effort salvation which relies on your faith and obedience.

So you can't say, you don't follow Arminius as that's exactly what he taught.

The biblical gospel says, "you can do nothing without me", but along comes Paul Thomson and says. Nah I don't believe you Jesus, watch me force you to save me by my faith and my obedience, so that's a purely works based salvation which makes the Lord a liar.

the biblical fact that you fail to realise is that man is spiritually dead and enslaved to sin and Satan which is why Christ came to set His people free.

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Well that's your personal take but my bible tells me the opposite, so with all due respect I must reject your view as being false and stick to what God said. Thank you.

Your choice is to either believe what God said about Himself or deny it, the choice is yours.

Let's see how you twist these verses to support your Arminian doctrine. The verse clearly say Gods elect were chosen before the foundation of the world and you must accept that fact or deny Gods Word. There's no wiggle room here.

Ephesians 1:4-6

just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.

why do you deserve to go to Heaven?

If you can't be bothered giving a simple direct answer, then please do not waste my time with your silliness.

anyone who says that they contributed to their salvation by cooperating with God and says they have assurance by anything they have done does not yet know grace.

God has brought about (by grace) the ability to change.

By suppressing their flesh (by the power of grace) their soul will be made free to decide what it wants to believe.

Just the same. Even when God places them under His drawing grace, they can still choose freely to be against God.
That is why they will be held accountable.
For, if grace were not applied? And the soul had no choice but to reject God?
Then its not really their choice to be judged, but rather the result of Adam's choice!

Yes... we are born depraved. For Adam ate and passed down the sin nature to us all.

But, its only the flesh that is beyond hope. Not the soul who was born in a body making it a slave to the flesh.

The mind is our soul!
Its the brain where the soul's thinking registers in the material world.

grace and peace ...................

How about you stop spamming and enter a real dialogue. Paul said he was willing to do good. He did not have a new heart as he ends by crying out for salvation. Try opening your mind to the truth of what is written instead of closing it off behind a wall of copy and paste.

Its not spamming, its the Truth,

Men by nature are unwilling and at enmity against God, will not and cant submit to God. So if a person becomes willing, then thats indicative God has changed them, saved them and given them a new heart

Jn 5 40 shows men naturally aren't will ing to come to Christ, and Rom 8:7-8 shows man naturally isnt able to submit to God and in fact is enmity against God in our minds. Nothing changes this but a new birth. Sorry

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I love being corrected but you have just proven that you believe the Arminian works based gospel. Where you and God work together to achieve salvation for you.

Your argument, contradicts what you claim, you claim that God offers you salvation and you can reject it or use your faith as a work and accept it. That means God meets you half way and you have to make the leap of faith and jump into the sea of Gallie and Jesus will catch you. So it's a joint effort salvation which relies on your faith and obedience.

So you can't say, you don't follow Arminius as that's exactly what he taught.

The biblical gospel says, "you can do nothing without me", but along comes Paul Thomson and says. Nah I don't believe you Jesus, watch me force you to save me by my faith and my obedience, so that's a purely works based salvation which makes the Lord a liar.

See this:
Men by nature are unwilling and at enmity against God, will not and cant submit to God. So if a person becomes willing, then thats indicative God has changed them, saved them and given them a new heart

Jn 5 40 shows men naturally aren't will ing to come to Christ, and Rom 8:7-8 shows man naturally isnt able to submit to God and in fact is enmity against God in our minds. Nothing changes this but a new birth.

See this:
Men by nature are unwilling and at enmity against God, will not and cant submit to God. So if a person becomes willing, then thats indicative God has changed them, saved them and given them a new heart

Jn 5 40 shows men naturally aren't will ing to come to Christ, and Rom 8:7-8 shows man naturally isnt able to submit to God and in fact is enmity against God in our minds. Nothing changes this but a new birth.

How? The Lord knew their hearts that they would not come to him. It does not say, "can't come to me."

40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Carnal minds are against God. And yet, those Corinthian believers were carnal. Why? Because they were babes in Christ and were living in a manner in which were stunting their growth.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Scripture says that in Jn 6:44, they are one and the same.

The Corinthian believers also had the Spirit. So they were regenerated. The unregenerate dont have the Spirit, so they are 100% carnal and in the flesh.