Can the nonelect ever be born-again? (2 Kings 22:27) With the elect thou wilt be elect: and with the perverse thou wilt be perverted.

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Will the nonelect ever be born-again?

  • The nonelect can be born-again.

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maxamir

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Yes,

They will not be there because of personal sin, Christ died for that

They are there because they failed to believe

He who believes is not condemned, He who does not believe is CONDEMNED ALREADY
you make salvation conditional upon the choice of man and not the grace of God which was given to His people before time began (2 Tim 1:9) and not those He justly casts into Hell.

You would do well to ponder your handle.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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I am glad that you see the clear contradiction of those who say that Christ died for every person.
He did, the Bible says He did. Anything else is a flat out lie.

Can people be saved through a false Gospel that gives man something in which to boast in (1 Cor 1:26-29)?
God doesn't choose who will and will not be saved. Anyone who believes that believes a false Gospel. Stop teaching it to others for the love of GOD!
 

maxamir

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Yes, because the Bible says so. And I'm not a universalist.
The Bible does not state this and I challenge you to prove so. The word "world" does not mean every single person in the world without exemption but people throughout the whole world without distinction.

Rev_7:9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,

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maxamir

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He did, the Bible says He did. Anything else is a flat out lie.



God doesn't choose who will and will not be saved. Anyone who believes that believes a false Gospel. Stop teaching it to others for the love of GOD!
you better rebuke the Apostle Paul then,

2Th 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth,

Here are some other verses for you to ponder.

41 Bible Verses about election, to salvation
 

MerSee

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Did Jesus Christ suffer/die on the cross for unbelief of those people past/present/future in hell?
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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Yes it does!

I embrace that faithful word which is according to doctrine, that I may be able to exhort in sound doctrine, and to convince the gainsayers.

It doesn't, you've been proven wrong with Scripture. You believe false doctrine, period. Anyone who can read understands what is being said. You denying what is written in black and white right before your eyes makes you a denier. Utterly wrong. I believe what I read and see. You do not.
 
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John 3: 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

Not sure what Bible you read.
My Bibles says in,

Matthew 10:34-35
34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’;
 

MerSee

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It doesn't, you've been proven wrong with Scripture. You believe false doctrine, period. Anyone who can read understands what is being said. You denying what is written in black and white right before your eyes makes you a denier. Utterly wrong. I believe what I read and see. You do not.
I believe sound doctrine because God tells me to.
 
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My Bibles says in,

Matthew 10:34-35
34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’;
you don't understand what it means

If he had come to bring peace you wouldn't be here now the world would have been judged 2000 years ago if he came to bring peace

He came to bring a sword to save you first

When he comes back to bring peace the world will be judged
 
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Yet you use your own private interpretation.

PS. CS1 is not arminian.

So you also falsely judge and accuse.
It is possible that I may have misunderstood, what CS1 believes. I tried to work it out but it's unclear to me because all got got was that they just believe what the Lord Jesus Christ teaches. That confused me because I also believe that but we have different interpretations of the same gospel.

I pointed out the fact that there are countless different interpretations, but everyone claims to poses the one true interpretation.
 
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You catholic or something?
Yes I am a Catholic, but please don't confuse that with Roman Catholicism. Catholic translates to universal, o I do belon to the universal Church of Christ. But it's Head is not the Pope of Rome, it's the Lord Jesus Christ, I consider the Pope to be Antichrist
 
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No, I'm saying your brain washed version of a false god is evil. Your understanding is 110% incorrect. I know thats jarring to you. Hopefully one day you will understand what God is really like and you will never be the same.
You sound very sure of yourself, I hope your faith in yourself will endure the race set before you. I don't lean on my understanding, so I can't be 110% sure of myself in anything, that's why I have placed my trust in the Lord
 
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well I apologise for calling @Charlie_2024 evil, sorry I lost my head.


That's OK, brother. I don't mind people calling me evil, they accused the Lord of being a Devil as well and He forgave them so I don't take any criticism personally. My only concern is what God thinks of me, because He is my judge and not any man
 
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That's OK, brother. I don't mind people calling me evil, they accused the Lord of being a Devil as well and He forgave them so I don't take any criticism personally. My only concern is what God thinks of me, because He is my judge and not any man
It's ok Charlie thanks for accepting my apologie

I Shouldn't have said that its just I probably meant to say you were acting evil, we all do sometimes

But I know there's good in you.
 
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While I agree with you, Charlie_2024, that nothing now happens outside of God's will, but it also seems to me that a distinction exists between the periods before the fall (in the garden) and the post (garden) fall, after which, everything changed. It seems a contradiction that God would have sternly warned Adam and Eve of death should they eat from the tree and be angry with and judge them for doing so, yet at the same time causing it to happen. Now, I am open to reasoning contrary to that, but have not of myself so far been able to formulate such reasoning. So, by God having chosen to inform us of those details, I am persuaded (at least for now), that He would also have also provided us the information necessary to reconcile them, which reconciliation, might be that everything changed relative to God's involvement in the affairs of mankind after and from the fall of Adam and Eve. Just another way to look at it I guess.


[Jas 1:13 KJV] 13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
God doesn't tempt any man because man doesn't need any help from anyone to sin. He sins because that's his nature, so he will naturally gravitate towards sin and disobey God.

God already determined that man would sin before that period between creation and the fall. He already prepared His Son to save His Elect before He created the world. So He determined the exact number of people He would save long before He made the world. He knew each of us intimately by name, long before He created the world.

The Bible does teach that God is a mystery, and He has revealed very little to us at this stage. But He will reveal a lot more to us when we receive our glorified bodies and come into His presence. He obviously has a good reason for hiding most things from us, so we need to be very careful not to make assumptions and draw conclusions about those things He hid from us.

Remember how God told Pharaoh to let His people go, yet He hardened Pharos heart at the same time and caused him not to let the people go. He created Lucifer to become Satan for His own good reason which we will understand when He reveals His reason to us at the appointed time.

The Bible does teach that God's ways are infinitely higher than ours, and we are told that His ways are past finding out. So I don't think it's wise to go against His warnings and dabble in things that are beyond human reasoning and understanding.

Seeking out the things God has hidden is like necromancy and witchcraft, God forbids those things for good reason. If He revealed them to us, they would literally blow our minds.
 

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I am glad that you see the clear contradiction of those who say that Christ died for every person.

Doctrine is simply the teaching of Scripture, which very plainly declares that it is only those whom God has chosen to be saved that are saved and He uses the foolishness of Gospel preaching which includes this truth as the instrument to grant the repentance and faith to His people which He justly commands from all people to whom the Gospel is to be indiscriminately preached to, and which by the grace of God I have sought to faithfully do for many decades.

Can people be saved through a false Gospel that gives man something in which to boast in (1 Cor 1:26-29)?

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I apologize; my PC is acting up and changing words. Let me be clear: Christ died for all, even if not all will be saved. We don't know who God has chosen to save, so it should not be our focus.
 
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According to the founder of your faith jean Calvin the tulip Doctrine is not obeying his instructions he left before he died in 1554.

As now i have evidence the tulip doctrine was wrote in the 1600s


Jean Calvin quote


John Calvin is perhaps best known for his doctrine of predestination. He taught that God determined before all time who would be eternally saved and who would be condemned to hell. Christians, he said, should not question God's plan, but rather trust in God's good intentions for their personal life and destiny.

When you oversee the tulip doctrine you see that it Questions God's authority.
I must have missed something, because I can't see how the TULIP doctrine challenges God's authority.

If Calvin said, Christians should not question God's plan, but rather trust in God's "good intentions". If anything there may be some confusion with the language translation if he used the term "good intensions" as that is not a good translation. A better translation would be "God's righteous decrees"

We can't attribute words like "intensions" to God, because He doesn't have any intensions. Men can have intensions because we never know if we will follow through as many fall away, but with God, He just speaks something into existence and it is done. There is no process or plan to work on a project or anything. He just speaks and it's done.
 
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I don't like what Calvin taught because it's false doctrine.



– For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him.

-1 Timothy 2:3-4: "This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth."
The rich young ruler was not an Elect Saint of God, that's why he rejected God and chose to serve Satan. God said, you are the children of the Devi and you do His works"



2 Peter 3:9: "The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."

That is the heart of God!
Your interpretation is contrary to mine so we most defiantly have entirely different beliefs of who God is. They seem to be very different Gods, and you sound very sure of yourself so I don't even know if you're open to the possibility that you have created a fictitious god in your mind.

Please qualify your statements with "I don't believe" when you make sweeping statements like, "what Calvin taught is a false gospel". It's OK for you not to agree with Calvin, but you should respect the hundreds of millions of Christians who do believe what he taught was biblically sound.

And who are the "anyone" and "everyone" in 2 Peter 3:9 Who were those words spoken to, they weren't intended for the whole world as you claim. They were spoken to believers, so they are not relevant to the reprobate condemned sinners.

I wholeheartedly disagree with you second point, that the Lord Jesus Christ failed in His mission to save the whole world. I disagree, because I believe in God when He said He is almighty. That to me means He doesn't fail to achieve His goals. so I must agree with your view that God is not almighty but He is prone to failure like a fallen human.