SPEAKING TONGUES

A gift was added, LOL.
ridiculous

Everyone I have met in person that says they have the gift of tongues believe they are superior to those of us who do not.
They are much closer to God, are more blessed of God than the rest of us.
Like the Pharisees, they demand a sigh.
This is the conclusion I have come to after listening to speaking to these people face to face.
I do not need a special language to speak to my Lord. I suppose some think they do.
Scripture tells me He know what I need and desire before I even ask.
I see no benefit it it at all.
Do not mean to offend anyone, but that is what I believe, but to each his own.

That is not true. You have not met everyone, and no one thinks they are superior to you. Many people believe this false narrative.
Your experience doesn't nullify the word of God. That opinion is not new, but it is a regurgitated comment.

I bet you don't even know the name of the person you are speaking of. Stick to the word of God prove the gifts of the Holy Spirit are not for today based on the word of God.

I know him very well. I shop in his meat market every week.
I also know many of his fellow church members.
We have agreed to not talk about religion.
I did not say everyone.
I said everyone I have met face to face, and there are many.
As far as the Scripture, you and those who preach such clearly do not understand Scripture.
If you did, you would see the truth.
If you need it to feel closer to God, go for it.
I do not. I feel His Spirit with me at all times.
That's enough for me.
No need to discuss this any more.
You will not change my mind and I will not change yours.

Not trying to interrupt but what church does the meat market person attend?

Pentecostal Holiness

Good people.
But they really believe I am missing so much am not as blessed or close to God as they are because I do not believe as they do.
Love talking with them, but not on religious beliefs and have agreed to not discuss it.

Pentecostal Holiness...

You mean a specific denomination of Pentecost?

AoG, IPHC, UPC, MPHC, Apostolic Life [AL], PCoG, AotLJC, Independent... There's many of them.

But I understand, they are a part of one of them is what you're saying

No.
I do not know anything about the many groups.
The church sign only says Pentecostal Holiness.
Nothing else.
I just know what these local people believe.
Would never pretend to know what all Pentecostal believe.
Probably as different as the many that wear the name Baptist or many other independent churches believe.

I would love to have an original Word of God …but at best …we have versions and I think with the numerous partial and complete manuscripts that we have today ….there is about a 99% accuracy. But not all versions are perfect and without human bias …I would like to think that isn’t true, but it’s just not the case….Including the KJV.

We are all holy spirit inspired … (everyone who is born again)…. but that doesn’t make us, scribal editors or translators infallible …or without religious bias.


A couple of simple examples you can check with any Greek/English online interlinear.


In the first 5 verses of Romans chapter 5 … THE article that appears in the Greek text… has been left out 14 times….of the KJV. And behavior is prevalent throughout the NT. I do understand in many cases keeping the article in… might cause the verse to read awkwardly in English.

However, the importance of the article in Greek grammar is significant. And while it is the most frequently used word in the English language as a determiner for common nouns…

Whenever the Greek uses the article, it points out individual identity…. it marks a specific object of thought. Its function is to point out an object or draw attention to it. It's use with a word makes the word stand out distinctly. The Greeks use the article with infinitives, adjectives, adverbs, prepositional phrases, and clauses,…. or even with whole sentences…. we do not have a corresponding English word even remotely similar.

I think removing words goes against your quoted Rev 22:19


Here is the second:

Jhn 19:18 Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side >> one << and Jesus in the midst.

The word ONE has been added to which there is no corresponding Greek word. I believe this was done to maintain a religious belief. (I am not getting into the reason in this.)

I think that goes against your quoted Rev 22:18

I didn't say a gift was added ....the "word gift" has been added 4x in 12:1, 13:2, 14:1 &12...(KJV has these noted in italics'.)

The first half of your comment refers to all spiritual gifts; not just 'tongues'/languages.

The first half of the second part is the whole cessationist/continuationist issue. I do not identify with either but will say you will find good and compelling arguments for either camp.

The third point in the second half makes no sense the way it’s worded – not sure what you’re trying to say.

With respect to the last point, the term “modern tongues-speech” is used as it’s easier/quicker than saying “what certain Christian denominations are producing today and calling “tongues.””

And what people are producing today is found nowhere in the Bible. As others have noted the Greek word means "language". The word "tongue" is simply an archaic word for the same and was more in vogue in the 17th century than now. People seem to want to (or perhaps 'feel some sort of compelling need to') attach something mystical to the word that's just not there.

FYI, Never said it. Did you suggest a narrative one did not say? One who uses labels that are not even in the word of God do no service to those who read it. nowhere in the Bible do you find:


cessationist/continuationist. Please next time qotue what I said in


"1cor chapters 12 to 14 explain all the gifts of the Holy Spirit, and tongues are one of them. Please read it, pray, and enjoy.


I NEVER SAID JUST TONGUES.

I, like you, have met people who use tongues as a sign/symbol of extra holiness and superiority.

On the other hand, in the community I live in, some of the most spirtually alive and real people come from the Charismatic and Holiness and Pentecostal traditions.

All is vanity without the King, thanks as we each see to get along with one another in each others views of, as God takes us in God and teaches us each about this love and mercy given us all through our Savior The Son Jesus, thanks

When you take into consideration the average church Paul set up was 10-15 people, nothing that happens today is similar by comparison. But I also look at it this way. There are people who do not have the Gift and they tend to claim cessation. So why would someone with the Gift care about the opinion of someone without the Gift? Those people have other Gifts Tongue Speakers don't have. That's how God designed it to be.

I think that is opinionated. I am not saying I disagree, but the main focus should be what the word of God says rather than what the world or church denomination wants it to say.

1. there is not one verse in the Bible that says, "The Gifts of the Holy Spirit have ceased.
2. There is not one verse in the Bible that says the Gifts of the Holy Spirit are not for today
3. there is nothing in the bible that says the gifts are not needed because the Bible was Canonized.

Truth matters. Talking all they want about the foolishness of others in the Charismatic churches doesn't nullify the word of God.

Just because one has not seen the real doesn't mean it is not for today. Or had a bad experience in a church setting.

I firmly believe cessationist's have rejected Paul's instruction to pray to God and ask for the Gift of Tongues. They much rather bash on the idea and those who have the Gift. I find them to be more arrogant than those with the Gift of speaking in tongues, personally. To think the Bible, which is inspired by God, but "not God" writing it Himself is the "perfect" to end certain Gifts shows a deep seeded arrogance and extreme point of opinion.

Speaking in tongues is one of the gifts of utterance in 1 Cor 12:7-11. The gifts are "Speaking in tongues", "Interpretation of Tongues", "Prophesy", "Word of Wisdom", and "word of knowledge". They all operate the same way - i.e. God by the Holy Spirit gives you Words directly to your mind, and you speak them as they flow in.

"Our times" are no different spiritually than they were in 40 A.D. God's input into our lives is as important now as it's ever been.

The Gifts of the spirit are as IMPORTANT today as they ever were.

Actually, I believe they are in disobedience to God’s command. 1 Corinthians 14 clearly says, “But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; …“ (1 Corinthians 14:28).

Most Pentecost churches are filled with those who speak in tongues regardless if there is an interpreter or not.
Meaning, they are not keeping silence in the church if no interpreter is present.

In addition, 1 Corinthians 14:28 is also not a suggestion but a commandment.

Paul continues to say:

”If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.” (1 Corinthians 14:37-38).

So this is very serious. See 1 John 2:4.

In the Upper Room they all Spoke them at once with no interpreter.

And Paul is addressing the Corinthians who were pagans and did many things incorrect.