Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

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Cameron143

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BillyBob said:
If Pink were here today, I'm not sure how he would classify himself! I just know that he was a very good writer. He had a talent for expressing his belief on a piece of paper that few can match. My copy of "The Life of David" needs a new cover because I keep going back to it over and over.
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I know little about Pink. What little I do know seems quite good. Having only so much time to read, I have chosen to read primarily of Martyn Lloyd Jones, Andrew Murray, and John Piper. Boyce is great on Psalms, Bounds on prayer, and Blackaby on living out Christianity practically. There are many others I know I would enjoy and find profitable, Pink among them.
 
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Magenta said:
Too many isms and ists for me LOL. I am with @selahsays on that. wiki page ends by saying this:

Theologically Pink was rejected during his lifetime because of his opposition to Arminianism;
but after his death, there was a major shift of evangelical opinion towards Calvinistic theology.
By 1982, Baker Book House had published 22 of Pink's books and sold 350,000 total copies.
Nevertheless, it was Pink's Sovereignty of God that did "more than any other in redirecting the
thinking of a younger generation." After Banner of Truth Trust republished it in 1961—modifying
it to remove Pink's alleged hyper-Calvinism—the book sold 177,000 copies by 2004.
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I reject much of Arminian myself. When I do I get called Reformed. But clearly I am not Reformed because I reject much of Calvin.

That's why I mentioned that Pink claimed to be a Theologian and Dispensationalist. That separates you from both groups even though both groups will claim you're part of them after your death hahahaha
 
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I agree with Calvin that God makes Himself known to you, you do not go looking for God.
I agree with Arminian we have Free Will to accept or reject God, we are not forced or persuaded, we choose to believe/not believe in God once God makes Himself known to us.

But that can all be found in scripture. So it's best to claim Theologian, because it means no one but GOD is your source and doctrine.
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
I reject much of Arminian myself. When I do I get called Reformed. But clearly I am not Reformed because I reject much of Calvin.

That's why I mentioned that Pink claimed to be a Theologian and Dispensationalist. That separates you
from both groups even though both groups will claim you're part of them after your death hahahaha
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I certainly hear you on that! Some just can't seem to help themselves from
hammering away trying to say you are this or that as if there is nothing else.
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
I no longer have Free Will now that I am bought and paid for by God. The only way I would drive by if God told me to. But I can't imagine God would do that so I would stop when I felt/sensed the guiding of God to do as such. But I am praying as I pull over and getting out of my vehicle to hurry over to this person that they are alive. And then praying for healing.

What I have learned by having done this before, people tend to ask "what made you stop and help?" Good will of humanity, etc? That always leads for me to introduce God into the equation.
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Here's a newsflash for you: If you don't think you have "free will" now, then how could you ever have had it when you were under constant, 24/7 spiritual siege by the world [system], the flesh (sin nature) and the devil?
 
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Rufus said:
Here's a newsflash for you: If you don't think you have "free will" now, then how could you ever have had it when you were under constant, 24/7 spiritual siege by the world [system], the flesh (sin nature) and the devil?
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I was not a slave for God before I was saved. I am now that I am saved. So now I do His Will, not my own.
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
I no longer have Free Will now that I am bought and paid for by God. The only way I would drive by if God told me to. But I can't imagine God would do that so I would stop when I felt/sensed the guiding of God to do as such. But I am praying as I pull over and getting out of my vehicle to hurry over to this person that they are alive. And then praying for healing.

What I have learned by having done this before, people tend to ask "what made you stop and help?" Good will of humanity, etc? That always leads for me to introduce God into the equation.
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Nice dodge. :rolleyes: So... in light of your present state of bondage to God's will, permit me to rephrase my last question: Yet, you could never see yourself spiritually in this this man prior to your conversion, could you?
 
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Rufus said:
Nice dodge. :rolleyes: So... in light of your present state of bondage to God's will, permit me to rephrase my last question: Yet, you could never see yourself spiritually in this this man prior to your conversion, could you?
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There really wasn't a time I had not served God. I was born not saved obviously. But if we go by committed to God then there were moments. And then I still would pick up hitch hikers which upset my parents/grandparents hahaha
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
I was not a slave for God before I was saved. I am now that I am saved. So now I do His Will, not my own.
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So that could only mean, given the three aforementioned enemies of your soul, that prior to your conversion you were free from doing God's will but free to do the will of your [spiritual] father at that time!

2 Cor 4:4
4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
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Seems to me that unbelievers in this world are as helpless and hopeless and powerless as the fallen man in my Free Will Analogy. Yet, you deny this?
 
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I will answer your posts in a few. I am talking and typing and not thinking so am correcting and I want to be thorough in my responses.
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
There really wasn't a time I had not served God. I was born not saved obviously. But if we go by committed to God then there were moments. And then I still would pick up hitch hikers which upset my parents/grandparents hahaha
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Oh...so now you move the goal posts!? You exited your mother's womb serving God, did you? You were never in Adam? Your unholy, profane, godless, corrupt, deceitful heart, which is the seat of all your faculties, had the awesome power to overcome the World, the Flesh and the Devil? You're quite the Superman, especially since you did things that God Almighty himself cannot do!
 
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Cameron143 said:
I know little about Pink. What little I do know seems quite good. Having only so much time to read, I have chosen to read primarily of Martyn Lloyd Jones, Andrew Murray, and John Piper. Boyce is great on Psalms, Bounds on prayer, and Blackaby on living out Christianity practically. There are many others I know I would enjoy and find profitable, Pink among them.
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Gotta give you an "A" for good tastes in reading material. I just finished an MLJ book that I thoroughly enjoyed.
 
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