Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

And your problem is that you spend so many words to say absolutely nothing that refutes my interpretation of Rom 5:8 -- all with irrelevant scriptures. The irrefutable fact remains is that the verb tenses in the text do NOT agree. And "us" doesn't = sinners either. You should do yourself a huge favor and become acquainted with at least the first principles of hermeneutics.

Because you call yourself a Christian and as such have an obligation to manifest to the world the character of God. By showing hatred towards others rather than love, you have actually done the very thing that you accuse others of doing.

Get off the Merry go round of disinformation you seem to enjoy. If you really want to gaslight people as much as you seem predisposed to do, you will have to become much better at it.

I never said it was in there or that you did, but I also know your tactics.
Esau, in his free will chose to reject God by rejecting his Birthright.
Of course God would hate that.

Now that you have mentioned gaslighting, Reformers, very much do appear to be narcissistic.
Thanks for pointing that out.
Even in simple back-n-forth conversations, they talk down to you.
That's a vital trait of both narcissist and the psychotic.
Great insight on your behalf

So then, why did you ask the question?

Also,, Rom 9 says that God hated Esau himself...AND...long before he did anything good or bad. I take it that that you disagree with Paul who only wrote what Jesus revealed to him (Jn 16:12-15)?

So then, why did you ask the question?

Get off the Merry go round of disinformation you seem to enjoy. If you really want to gaslight people as much as you seem predisposed to do, you will have to become much better at it.

You skip over and ignore any scripture that illustrates something other than reformed retrograde Calvinism 2.0

It is noticeable to anyone who can read and that would mean anyone reading this thread. What is it you hope to achieve by this tactic?

I do not have time right now....but I will be happy to remind you of some of the scripture you have ignored because it does not give credence to reformed technology doctrine.

And the biggest favor I can do for myself is to spend time in the presence of God to prepare myself for the onslaught of doubters and reformers in this particular forum. To be sure, the reformed do appear to be in the minority and seem to be challenged by the fact by asserting everyone else is wrong and often do so with comments that are snarky and personal, rather than sticking to the content of a post or the topic of the op. (sorry for the run on sentence. not)

Everybody has free-will.

I'll definitely take you up on that offer. Go for it. (I'm always up for a good belly laugh, most especially since "disinformation" is a NR specialty.) I'm sure whatever you come up with, it'll pale by comparison to all the scriptures you NR folks have ignored in one form or another.

So then, why did you ask the question?


Also,, Rom 9 says that God hated Esau himself...AND...long before he did anything good or bad. I take it that that you disagree with Paul who only wrote what Jesus revealed to him (Jn 16:12-15)?

Well then, … sooo why does everybody argue endlessly about whether or not we have free will in regards to salvation. Me? I believe that everyone in this age must choose—choose whether or not to follow Jesus or Satan. So what’s all the fussing about?

@Rufus

They want to be their own God. Their idol is Aleister Crowley. Aleister Crowley said, "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law."

Well then, … sooo why does everybody argue endlessly about whether or not we have free will in regards to salvation. Me? I believe that everyone in this age must choose—choose whether or not to follow Jesus or Satan. So what’s all the fussing about?

I must admit that I am reformed in my belief.
The above statement is not intended to provoke an argument. It simply states who I am and always will be.
Since becoming a Christian, I have come to my own personal conclusion – that to be otherwise attempts to rob God of His glory, even though I know that He cannot be robbed!
When considering the differences between reformed vs non/reformed views, which are many, I know that I also argue about things which probably do not make any difference when it comes to being a child of God.

For example:
I honestly believe that I was made a new creature before I became a believer and put my trust in the work of Christ. In other words, the Spirit first renewed my heart – to enable me to hear and believe.
Others will argue – No, that cannot happen. You must hear the word and believe, then you will be made a new creature. (faith comes by hearing). I would agree that hearing is required, but the heart must first be made ready to receive the message.

My question is:
If you have actually put your trust in Christ, regardless of your understanding, are you acceptable in God's sight? He does tell us that, for now, we see through a glass darkly. Therefore, is trust the most important thing?
In most churches, including my own, the questions asked prior tor partaking in the Lord's Supper are:, 1) are you are a member of a Bible believing church and 2) have you placed your trust in Christ and Christ alone for the forgiveness of tour sins? They would never ask – are you reformed or non/reformed!

My question is:
If you have actually put your trust in Christ, regardless of your understanding, are you acceptable in God's sight? He does tell us that, for now, we see through a glass darkly. Therefore, is trust the most important thing?
In most churches, including my own, the questions asked prior tor partaking in the Lord's Supper are:, 1) are you are a member of a Bible believing church and 2) have you placed your trust in Christ and Christ alone for the forgiveness of tour sins? They would never ask – are you reformed or non/reformed!