Predestination is misunderstood...

PaulThomson said:
How do you know Adam and Eve had not been munching on he tree of life already?

That does not follow logically at all. There is nothing that says the tree of life gives permanent life. In fact Rev. 22:1-2 says the saints have on-going permanent access to the tree of life, with 12 fruits and healing leaves. Why would this be necessary for the resurrected saints?

There it is!


grace and peace ..............

There was no command to eat from the tree of life so immortality was not contingent on the tree either before or after the fall. Adam was never immortal, if he were, God could not say "you will die".

Immortality means one cannot die under any circumstances so unless you think God died on the Cross, the Son did not go from immortality to mortality. His humanity was always mortal and if not for our sin Christ would not have died.

He was the seed of the woman not Adam's seed except in name (title), Son of Man.

"You may eat from every tree of the garden except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.". The tree of life was in the garden.

Your claims are mere assertions. there is no logic behind them.

Logic states that you did not read post 4982....

https://christianchat.com/threads/predestination-is-misunderstood.214056/post-5278220

When we judge what others do as unacceptable and do the same things ourselves, we know that what we are doing is also unacceptable.

Let us consider what you claimed for a moment....

Your rationalization (if it were true) means that God was going to let Adam starve to death...

Nonsense.

Where you getting that exegesis from?

I don't think I have the time to untangle the way your brain functions when it comes to the Bible, Genez.

Lets talk about something else. Where is your favorite place to holiday?

I don't think I have the time to untangle the way your brain functions when it comes to the Bible, Genez.

Lets talk about something else. Where is your favorite place to holiday?

If what you say were true?

The Adam would forever be knowing good and evil.

But, in eternity, after all the lORD's enemies have been put away... that would become a false statement.

You're gaslighting....... And, manipulating......

God was preventing the action from happening that you claim Adam had already been doing....

God did not want Adam to eat of the tree that would cause him to live forever in his fallen state.
Because? If Adam had done so?
Then Adam would have then been able to keep on eating from the tree forever..

That is a much better interpretation of your translation.

For your reasoning to be true it would have to read as follows..


And-now lest he-put-forth AGAIN (qal imperfect his-hand and-take (qal sequential perfect) also from-the-tree of-life and-eat (qal sequential perfect) and-live (qal sequential perfect) forever.

Its not to be found that way....

God is not going to lobotomise us so we cannot remember anything bad. What will happen is that we will be able to see it from other have perspectives that convert all the evil we have known into valuable wisdom that we can use to inform our future decisions.

That's not what I was saying....

There will come a point when good and evil cease to exist.
In your scenario Adam would forever being know good and evil. Not simply knowing 'about' good and evil.

Now we must know good and evil as our means to navigate through the fallen creation.

Would you consider this the reality of 'the smoke of their torment'?

it says,

"And-now lest he-keep-putting-forth (qal imperfect his-hand and-keeps-tainge (qal sequential perfect) also from-the-tree of-life and-keeps-eating (qal sequential perfect) and-keep-living (qal sequential perfect) forever.

Again and again and again and again is intrinsic to the Hebrew tenses used.

Yes. When we see the smoke we will understand its cause from perspectives that makes the judgment of the wicked just and loving and good. The smoke is perhaps a never-ending reminder of God's righteous judgment, but the source of the smoke (the torment of the wicked) may not be. The genitive "of their torment", can mean "from their torment".