Woman Attacked for Standing with Israel Flag

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montana123

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Antisemitism, though never dead, is springing up in a new way around the world. Italy apparently sides with terrorists.
The Bible says that the Roman Empire does not lose their dominion until Jesus puts down the world, and 10 horns shall come from them which is in the future the world divided in to 10 sections with a leader in each section, and the antichrist shall come from the 10 horns.

Which they shall devour the whole earth, tread it down, and break it in pieces, which they will do this by the new age movement which the New Age Christ will push the agenda of the new age movement which he will think to change times and laws and things will change drastically, which the 10 horns hand their power over to the New Age Christ, and he will gain control of the world which he has power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues.

Pope Francis elected 72% of the Cardinals so they would be in the majority position to elect the new Pope who will go by the new age movement christianity, and support the New Age Christ.

The Pope will become the head of a unified religious system with all religions interpreted by them, and the Vatican the headquarters, Mystery Babylon which Babylon represents human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man.

It is obvious when the Roman Empire embraced Christianity they did not get rid of their pagan, and occult ways, and it became their foundation for the interpreting of scriptures.

So they can sway to go along with the world as it changes which is what happens with the Pope, and Vatican, who are with the new age movement now but are waiting for the New Age Christ to appear.

Many Catholics will stop following them at that time but the Pope will be the head of other christians who depart from the faith and follow them, and the other religions interpreted by the new age movement.

The new age movement is their religion, and reality now, which they believe they are evolving to be spiritual. and a god, and there is no personal God, and America is the germ of the next evolutionary step of humans.

Which the Bible says they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men but they shall not cleave to each one another even as iron is not mixed with clay, which the iron is the Roman Empire, which started in America and then will move to the world by the one world government.

They will come out at the latter times, and their beliefs are of seducing spirits and doctrines of devils, and their conscious is seared with a hot iron, so they will be influenced by the devil to hate the Hebrews.

Which when the New Age Christ negotiates peace in the Middle East resulting in a peace treaty, and there is a one world government it will pave the way for all Hebrews to go to Israel for the Gentile nations will cause it to happen, and the New Age Christ wants them all back on their land, but God means it for good towards the Hebrews.

Which the New Age Christ is influenced by Satan so he wants them all back on their land to deceive them to turn to him as God, and the Messiah, and the new age movement reality.
 

montana123

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You make an interesting point though about this being a message for believers only because as the Bible says there will be a falling away.
However this is also difficult for me to understand how a believer can fall away during miraculous events?
Does this mean that this conversation will lead us into Calvinism again? lol. Maybe.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The Church can never fall away for the gates of hell cannot prevail against the Church, and hypocrites are not with Jesus, and not Christians.

Only a person that acts Christlike by the Spirit is a Christian therefore Christians can never fall away.

The Bible says some have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof, lovers of pleasures more then lovers of God for they love sin more than God, and they are ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth, so they were not saved.

This is not speaking of Christians falling away but it is speaking of the condition of the world in response to the Gospel which the nations came together for a one world government and stopped the preaching of the Gospel, and the belief in a God, and not allow anything to be preached contrary to the new age movement.

Which the New Age Christ/man of sin will push the agenda of the new age movement for three and one half years which he will think to change times and laws, and at the end of that time the transgressors have come to the full which allows the New Age Christ to rule over them which he will claim to be God by evolving to be spiritual, and a god, and will share that power with all people who follow him.

Which the false prophet will do miracles in the sight of people to convince the people that the New Age Christ did evolve, and gave this power to the false prophet, and will share this power with all people who follow him.

The 6 trumpets are warnings to the world to turn to God, and repent of their sins, but after the 6th trumpet the world does not turn to God but they keep trying to achieve peace by their own ways only going by their own ways.

An example is WW1, did not turn to God but set up League of Nations to work for peace on earth.

After WW2, did not turn to God but set up United Nations to work for peace on earth, and that pattern will continue until the 6th trumpet which is the world against Islam for they rebel against the new age movement saying it is an insult to Allah.

Which that war will be so terrible that one third of the world perishes which will be concentrated in the Arab nations which they will be devastated by nuclear weapons.

Which the world will be divided in to 10 sections with a leader in each section, and 3 of those sections are plucked up by the roots leaving them no power, or growth, and the 6th trumpet describes nuclear weapons that do terrible hurt.

After the 6th trumpet the world does not turn to God which He said they will not repent of their sins so he gives them the man of sin to rule over them.
 

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2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

The Church can never fall away for the gates of hell cannot prevail against the Church, and hypocrites are not with Jesus, and not Christians.

Only a person that acts Christlike by the Spirit is a Christian therefore Christians can never fall away.

The Bible says some have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof, lovers of pleasures more then lovers of God for they love sin more than God, and they are ever learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth, so they were not saved.

This is not speaking of Christians falling away but it is speaking of the condition of the world in response to the Gospel which the nations came together for a one world government and stopped the preaching of the Gospel, and the belief in a God, and not allow anything to be preached contrary to the new age movement.

Which the New Age Christ/man of sin will push the agenda of the new age movement for three and one half years which he will think to change times and laws, and at the end of that time the transgressors have come to the full which allows the New Age Christ to rule over them which he will claim to be God by evolving to be spiritual, and a god, and will share that power with all people who follow him.

Which the false prophet will do miracles in the sight of people to convince the people that the New Age Christ did evolve, and gave this power to the false prophet, and will share this power with all people who follow him.

The 6 trumpets are warnings to the world to turn to God, and repent of their sins, but after the 6th trumpet the world does not turn to God but they keep trying to achieve peace by their own ways only going by their own ways.

An example is WW1, did not turn to God but set up League of Nations to work for peace on earth.

After WW2, did not turn to God but set up United Nations to work for peace on earth, and that pattern will continue until the 6th trumpet which is the world against Islam for they rebel against the new age movement saying it is an insult to Allah.

Which that war will be so terrible that one third of the world perishes which will be concentrated in the Arab nations which they will be devastated by nuclear weapons.

Which the world will be divided in to 10 sections with a leader in each section, and 3 of those sections are plucked up by the roots leaving them no power, or growth, and the 6th trumpet describes nuclear weapons that do terrible hurt.

After the 6th trumpet the world does not turn to God which He said they will not repent of their sins so he gives them the man of sin to rule over them.
Good points despite a minor thing in there where i can't say who's saved or not :) but my questions when discussing the falling away of Christians is: Will we become like Peter where we deny God despite seeing a miracle? For me this is very hard to grasp because i just don't see myself doing this ... unless ... i have no free will which opens another can of worms in discussions.
Imagine waiting and enduring your whole life in this fallen world for a sign or miracle from God and when you get it you say "I'm gonna go grab a beer now".
This is just very difficult for me to grasp.

Also if the apocalypse is meant to be interpreted and understood over a very long period of time, then why are we worried about anything happening in our lifetimes anyway?
Is the whole book of revelation going to unpack in a 24-hour day or will it be a very very very long time?
 

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Yeah, now we're gonna be here all day with a lot of coffee discussing what's understood as a "Fascist" or a "Communist" from an American POV or European POV. :)

Then we need to factor-in the bias and sensationalism.
Two sides of the same coin.
 

Eli1

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Two sides of the same coin.
Yes, this is what that atheist is arguing and he's right.
TBH i don't know if he's an atheist despite showing the hallmarks of one, i think there might be something else in there but may God show him the way.
 

HeIsHere

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No, because sin and death and suffering still exist, and we are not in the presence of God obviously.
God is all around. And yes we are in His presence, Christ is reigning presently.
The ‘Kingdom of God’ refers to God's present (as well as future) rule in the lives of believers.
 

Mem

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What's Good?
I just realized that I (almost) gave up on finding any good news in the Christian New Forum. Mebbe this is exactly what the falling away is, and love growing cold. It's like forbearance has been swapped out for forbiddance. What if, just, what if, it is true that, "ye will not see Me until ye say, 'Blessed is he...." ? Well, Maxwell is blessed, HeIsHere is blessed, Eli1 is blessed, and NightTwister is blessed, and even montana123 is blessed...et. al, but
"Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will He find faith on the earth?"
Don't we know? I think we do know that God is good! but
Are we taking His goodness for granted? Can we?
 

Mem

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ps. Anyone that might come to this site only presuming to come "in the name of the Lord" might do better to take some time to examine themselves.
 

Eli1

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God is all around. And yes we are in His presence, Christ is reigning presently.
The ‘Kingdom of God’ refers to God's present (as well as future) rule in the lives of believers.
Totally agree with this sister and it’s also my understanding of salvation which gives me strength and hope to continue every day in this fallen world of death and suffering where children and adults die for many reasons involving war, violence, disease or depression.
 

HeIsHere

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Totally agree with this sister and it’s also my understanding of salvation which gives me strength and hope to continue every day in this fallen world of death and suffering where children and adults die for many reasons involving war, violence, disease or depression.
The greater/greatest portion of human suffering is man made.
 

Eli1

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I was taught early on to never focus on the future but in the now so i never talk about end times usually.
This is part of denying yourself because The Lord said: "If anyone wishes to come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.”
Saint Paul is a prime example of someone who denied himself throughout his life following his conversion, yet by denying himself he discovered something new. He became a new creation! He could then say, “It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me… For me to live is Christ and to die is gain… I have learned to be content in every circumstance, whether I have much or whether I have little… If I live I live to the Lord and if I die I die to the Lord so whether I live or die, I am the Lord’s… Rejoice in the Lord always, again I say rejoice.”
 

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Antisemitism, though never dead, is springing up in a new way around the world. Italy apparently sides with terrorists.


Terrifying how a woman, standing there alone, is the one being treated like a criminal. No one has anything to say about the persons attacking her…amazing…🤦‍♀️
 

HeIsHere

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Terrifying how a woman, standing there alone, is the one being treated like a criminal. No one has anything to say about the persons attacking her…amazing…🤦‍♀️
She placed herself there, I can say that much.

No one forced right?
Treated like a criminal hardly.
 

Mem

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Does it seem to anyone else that the world has stopped short of declaring war on Israel?
 

Mem

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Let's (re?)start here. attacking a civilian community, kidnapping, raping, murdering civilians while they (including those attacking) are at peace...is an act of war, right? What other thing would it be? Were the attackers in an undeclared, but otherwise wholly understood, state of war? If we could just clear this up, then perhaps we could have a productive conversation.
 

Mem

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Anyway, there sseems to me that there is a double standard. This rule applies to you... You must be at peace with me even while I am at war with you. Nice, win! win!
 

Mem

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It would depend on who asked each person who they supported as to the terms of the rule, of course, if each person supported either attacking or whether it is actually a 'reply in kind'. Since, if you support the attackers, then you support no peace for the attacked... without confusing who actually did the attacking and who actually is answering an actual attack, of course. If we could just do that? or is it just tooo confusing?