Tulip

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A tulip is a beautiful flower, does anyone know why a flower should be starved of life with total depravity.

I look at a flower and I think it cant be left totally defenceless against the elements,

Surly It's creator would leave it with some mechanism in which to.defend it's self


But then I wonder with such a beauty, a flower has and such love it was created with, that surely it's creator could not look at its flowers and think total depravity.

So I say to myself.perhaps it wasn't its creator who did that.

Perhaps it was some totally deprived person, who thought of way to get so many beautiful flowers deprived and striped of everything, including it's very nature it was created with.

I heard this person was John Calvin.

Apparently he was this guy who looked upon a flower and for some bizarre reason imagined total depravity


Did anyone come to know this mind set with God.

You know the mindset that strips even the innocent.

Anyhow I was wondering, where else do we see something the lord truly detest about innocence being stripped, and who does the lord say it comes from.

Oh and i just wondered, surly to say you know total depravity and this John Calvin fellow, you must be saying you know satan even better
 
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I'll start the hint of can anyone post the understanding

The lord says the shedding of innocence is -------

So what is this type of person

The word is abominable
 
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So some more pointing in the right direction.

I Don't Want scripture says what man could do in regards to doing bad things before the flood

I was scripture what man was able to do before the flood. There is a difference

Then i want scripture of.what God told man he could before the flood.

Now for those who will appreciate what I'm asking please fire away.

There is hundreds of scriptures along theese lines.

Where man by his own human nature that God created him with could still do good.
 
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Then I want you examine exactly what was shed in the garden of eden.

What was shed was innocence, but it wasn't shed by God.

And this opens several studies.

as we see that calvinism have this crazy idea that God saw this happening but left no defense for man after is innocence was shed in the garden

anyhow stroll on 🙂

 

John146

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A tulip is a beautiful flower, does anyone know why a flower should be starved of life with total depravity.

I look at a flower and I think it cant be left totally defenceless against the elements,

Surly It's creator would leave it with some mechanism in which to.defend it's self


But then I wonder with such a beauty, a flower has and such love it was created with, that surely it's creator could not look at its flowers and think total depravity.

So I say to myself.perhaps it wasn't its creator who did that.

Perhaps it was some totally deprived person, who thought of way to get so many beautiful flowers deprived and striped of everything, including it's very nature it was created with.

I heard this person was John Calvin.

Apparently he was this guy who looked upon a flower and for some bizarre reason imagined total depravity


Did anyone come to know this mind set with God.

You know the mindset that strips even the innocent.

Anyhow I was wondering, where else do we see something the lord truly detest about innocence being stripped, and who does the lord say it comes from.

Oh and i just wondered, surly to say you know total depravity and this John Calvin fellow, you must be saying you know satan even better
God’s not willing that any should perish. He created hell for satan and his angels. If one man goes to hell, he’s going to a place never intended for him to go.

Matthew 25:
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
 

PennEd

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I hear the NES (No Eternal Security) crowd has a flower as well!

Yeah. It’s called the daisy. And they pull each petal while repeating:

“He saves me, He saves me not”
We can only hope by the time they get to the last petal, they’re on “He saves me!”

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I hear the NES (No Eternal Security) crowd has a flower as well!

Yeah. It’s called the daisy. And they pull each petal while repeating:

“He saves me, He saves me not”
We can only hope by the time they get to the last petal, they’re on “He saves me!”

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We used to play this as kids but it was based on what school boy "loves me" "loves me not" My friend used to laugh because I always got all the troubled/bad boys 😢🤣🤣
 
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I hear the NES (No Eternal Security) crowd has a flower as well!

Yeah. It’s called the daisy. And they pull each petal while repeating:

“He saves me, He saves me not”
We can only hope by the time they get to the last petal, they’re on “He saves me!”

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I see you hate flowers to. I bet you use to pull legs of spiders and say the same thing to, maybe you still do.

I want this thread treating seriously, today I am not in the mood for total depravity nonsense

Anyhow stroll on 🙂

 
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God’s not willing that any should perish. He created hell for satan and his angels. If one man goes to hell, he’s going to a place never intended for him to go.

Matthew 25:
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
And what is the reason why God is willing that none should perish.

Why would God say this on what empathy would he say this.


Stroll on 🙂


 

HeIsHere

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I see you hate flowers to. I bet you use to pull legs of spiders and say the same thing to, maybe you still do.

I want this thread treating seriously, today I am not in the mood for total depravity nonsense

Anyhow stroll on 🙂

That God keeps, justifies, redeems, sanctifies, declares innocent of all charges and adopts those who come to Him in faith trusting in His work on our behalf has nothing to do with total depravity.

An person who is declared innocent of all charges past, present and future cannot be found guilty again.

End of story, Eternal security is biblical and it is the Good news.
 
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We used to play this as kids but it was based on what school boy "loves me" "loves me not" My friend used to laugh because I always got all the troubled/bad boys 😢🤣🤣
on a nicer note sunshine girl 🙂


Think about watering those flowers please because inside is a seed ready to hatch more seeds 🙂

Get that pin heads nonsense out of your head thankyou.

I mean that was a totally defiling comment to post.

Did you not notice him say i heard this, as if somehow his tiny pin head found justification to post it.
 
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That God keeps, justifies, redeems, sanctifies, declares innocent of all charges and adopts those who come to Him in faith trusting in His work on our behalf has nothing to do with total depravity.

An person who is declared innocent of all charges past, present and future cannot be found guilty again.

End of story, Eternal security is biblical and it is the Good news.
my friend please don't make it the end of the story, think about why the law also protects the sinner
 

PennEd

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I see you hate flowers to. I bet you use to pull legs of spiders and say the same thing to, maybe you still do.

I want this thread treating seriously, today I am not in the mood for total depravity nonsense

Anyhow stroll on 🙂

Cello guy is awesome!

I usually squash spiders, and would never touch them.

I’m not a Calvinist, but I’m certainly onboard with this definition of “ Total Depravity”:

Total Depravity is the Biblical teaching that human beings since the Fall have inherited both the guilt and sin nature of Adam in such a way that absolutely everything about them is affected by sin. This does not mean every person is as sinful as they could possibly be.

And the Daisy meme is pretty darn accurate if you think about it.
 
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Cello guy is awesome!

I usually squash spiders, and would never touch them.

I’m not a Calvinist, but I’m certainly onboard with this definition of “ Total Depravity”:

Total Depravity is the Biblical teaching that human beings since the Fall have inherited both the guilt and sin nature of Adam in such a way that absolutely everything about them is affected by sin. This does not mean every person is as sinful as they could possibly be.

And the Daisy meme is pretty darn accurate if you think about it.
oh sorry I will forgive you i thought you a Calvinist being disrespectful towards me. Sorry for getting cross.

I just remembered your name from previous posts where i saw good loving.

I thought I saw your name as pin head sorry not pennyhead

Sorry my English bad. 🙂

I have to keep posting music to help me cope with being hit with total depravity, because it's all I'm seeing in many posts
 
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Cello guy is awesome!

I usually squash spiders, and would never touch them.

I’m not a Calvinist, but I’m certainly onboard with this definition of “ Total Depravity”:

Total Depravity is the Biblical teaching that human beings since the Fall have inherited both the guilt and sin nature of Adam in such a way that absolutely everything about them is affected by sin. This does not mean every person is as sinful as they could possibly be.

And the Daisy meme is pretty darn accurate if you think about it.
ok fairy muff then. 🙂

But a seeing asa you are on boardy

May I ask why you think there is such a thing as total depravity, for me it doesn't exist
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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A tulip is a beautiful flower, does anyone know why a flower should be starved of life with total depravity.

I look at a flower and I think it cant be left totally defenceless against the elements,

Surly It's creator would leave it with some mechanism in which to.defend it's self


But then I wonder with such a beauty, a flower has and such love it was created with, that surely it's creator could not look at its flowers and think total depravity.

So I say to myself.perhaps it wasn't its creator who did that.

Perhaps it was some totally deprived person, who thought of way to get so many beautiful flowers deprived and striped of everything, including it's very nature it was created with.

I heard this person was John Calvin.

Apparently he was this guy who looked upon a flower and for some bizarre reason imagined total depravity


Did anyone come to know this mind set with God.

You know the mindset that strips even the innocent.

Anyhow I was wondering, where else do we see something the lord truly detest about innocence being stripped, and who does the lord say it comes from.

Oh and i just wondered, surly to say you know total depravity and this John Calvin fellow, you must be saying you know satan even better

I agree a tulip is a beautiful flower, and they are lovely this time of year. I have no idea what Calvin had against such a beautiful flower.
 

SunshineGirl

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on a nicer note sunshine girl 🙂


Think about watering those flowers please because inside is a seed ready to hatch more seeds 🙂

Get that pin heads nonsense out of your head thankyou.

I mean that was a totally defiling comment to post.

Did you not notice him say i heard this, as if somehow his tiny pin head found justification to post it.
Insult, insult and more insults 😴😴😴😴 sooooooo boring 😴😴😴