The hatred of Jews

Actually Israel should have done exactly that back in 1967 without hurting or harming Palestinian civilians.

Israel should have demanded that the Sunni Muslim Arab states set up a proper "homeland" for the Sunni Muslim Arabs in Palestine. Jointly all those countries which attacked Israel at that time (and lost) had enough land and wealth to do so. Saudi Arabia has huge tracts of desert which could easily be converted into livable areas for Palestinians (with the proper investment). A proper homeland should have been properly established without playing politics or games. The Arab Christians in Palestine should have been left alone, since they were no threat to Israel. But Israel lost its chance and is now paying for it.

BTW no one should go to MSM sources for the truth about Israel or Hamas since they are pro-terrorists and anti-Israel. There is no more "neutrality" in the mainstream media. All the TV networks are failing because they have chosen to be partisans for the Democrats and evil doers.

The irony of all of this conflict is that most of the Palestinians are historically blood descendants of the ancient Jews (converting to Christianity and/or Islam as the land changed hands multiple times under different kingdoms; being too poor to flee they converted but remained in their land). Meanwhile, those currently in power in the land are descendants of European religious converts who are primarily secular and atheistic. This is even confirmed in Jewish encyclopedias.

As you point out, Christian Palestinians were/are indiscriminately targeted also...and you'd think the majority of us here would consider their plight since we're brothers and sisters of them in Christ. But I guess not even believers in The Christ are important to many Christians when weighed against their unwavering support for The State of Israel.

Propaganda!!

The Palestinians are Arabs that didn't leave because they were promised that Israel would be wiped out in the Arab-Israeli War of 1948. Five nations against a newborn state, a nation just born. And yet people don't believe it's a miracle that Israel stands today. They were offered a two state solution then and the Arabs refused. But they didn't win, but they came up with a political way to keep a thorn in Israels side. All a part of God's plan, but God will restore His chosen people back to Israel.




Baloney! There is no plight. And if they are Christian they would side with, not against, Israel understanding that God swore an oath and promised the land to them in an unconditional and everlasting covenant.

Forgive the length but I wanted to address several points.

1) Having the financial and military backing of the most powerful nations in modern times isn't a miracle. It's might. Have you ever considered how a "newborn" nation had tanks, modern weaponry, and hundreds of military-trained troops on the first day in 1948? Versus sticks and stones.


2) Palestinians are Arabs

Exodus 12:38
And a mixed multitude also went up with them, along with great droves of livestock, both flocks and herds

The Hebrew that is translated into English as "mixed Multitude" is "ereb rab", which literally means "many Arabs". It's where we get the word Arab from. So many Arabs left with the slaves to form the kingdom of Israel. They were all at Mt. Sinai. They all were sprinkled with blood. They were all given the law. They all covenanted with The Almighty to become Israel, and generations upon generation lived as one people, as god said "one law for the native-born and the foreigner. " (Ex. 12:49).

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3) Didn't Leave

Acts 2:1-11
When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues...

5 Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven.

6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken. 7 Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? 8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language? 9 Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues


Jews from every nation were there, including Jews who were Arabs. One can safely assume many were likely descendants of those same Arabs (erebs) who left with the slaves in Egypt to form the kingdom of Israel as that's why were were among the first to hear the gospel. The first Christians. Salvation is to the Jew first and then to the Gentile. Pentecost was salvation to the Jews first, and amongst them were Arab Jews.

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4) Palestinians...didn't leave

During the time of Christ, the land was called Judea by Rome rather than Judah or Israel. So the remnant of the kingdom was called "Judeans" by nationality because they were inhabitants of that land, independent of their ethnicity or religious identity.

History records that just before the Bar Kokhba revolt in the early 100s AD, "Roman Judea" was renamed "Syria Palestine", by merging "Roman Syria" with "Roman Judea". So then the inhabitants of the land were now known as "Palestinians" by nationality because they are inhabitants of the land, independent of their ethnicity or religious identity, no different than "Americans", "Canadians", etc.

After the failure of the revolt, "Palestinian Jews" (again, no different than you saying "American Jews", and again those Jews could be Arab) were barred from Jerusalem...but remember that the land - formerly called Judah...then Judea...and now Palestine in 132AD - is more than just the city of Jerusalem. So Jews still lived on the land, especially poor Jews who weren't wealthy enough to travel. Prophecy never said that all the Jews would be scattered it says:

Zechariah 13:7-9 [brackets mine]
Awake, O sword, against My Shepherd [who is the good shepherd?]

against the man who is My Companion, declares the LORD of Hosts.

Strike the Shepherd [what is this describing?], and the sheep will be scattered [who are called the sheep?]

and I will turn My hand against the little ones.

8 And in all the land, declares the LORD, two-thirds will be cut off and perish,

but a third will be left in it.

9 This third I will bring through the fire;

I will refine them like silver and test them like gold.

They will call on My name, and I will answer them.

I will say, ‘They are My people,’

and they will say, ‘The LORD our God.’ ”


The "striking" of the "shepherd" gives us the general timeframe of this prophecy's start if we accept that Christ is the good shepherd. If this is true then it says 1/3 of the "sheep" will be left in the land and go through a "refining fire" until they call on the Almighty's name. And, this is a prophecy in Zechariah which means this was after they were already in captivity, and we know that only a remnant returned to Judea...which was eventually renamed Palestine.

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So why didn't the "Palestinian Arabs" leave the land?

Because it's their land promised to them by the Almighty, and He said a portion of His people would remain in the land (not leave and come back) and suffer through all the hell they're going through now. I could continue through history to explain how they were caught in the middle of the territory changing hands between the Califate (Islam) and Papal Rome (Catholicism) which is how many converted to Islam from Christianity, but I think the point is made.

5) Christian

Being a Christian means belief and obedience to The Almighty and His Son not belief and obedience to a nation-state and their identity. This is exactly why Paul said a true Jew is one inwardly (Romans 2:29) through a heart change. External identity alone doesn't provide a claim to any promises. I showed you scripture that proves the covenant was never unconditional. To believe it to be unconditional we need to throw out 90% of the book leaving only the pages of Genesis and today's Jewish people's claim of themselves. But Christ said it himself:

"If I testify of myself my testimony can't be relied upon" (John 5:32).

Outside witnesses removed from the party in question are required to confirm their claim. Scripture says in the last days there will be people who call themselves Jews but who are not and who do lie (Rev 3:9). So we need to confirm that they are who they say they are. There is ample proof from history, anthropology, cartography, recent DNA, and more that proves the people who claim to be Jews are not, but let's start with scripture.


Revelation 2:12-13
And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; know thy works, and where thou dwellest, where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith,

So Satan's seat is in Pergamon. Where's that?


Turkey.

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Next, we have an independent genetic study of Ashkenazi Jews proving the majority of them originate from Turkey.
https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/genetics/articles/10.3389/fgene.2017.00087/full

Excerpt from The Origins of Ashkenaz, Ashkenazic Jews, and Yiddish

The Genetic Structure of Ashkenazic Jews:
AJs were localized to modern-day Turkey and found to be genetically closest to Turkic, southern Caucasian, and Iranian populations, suggesting a common origin in Iranian “Ashkenaz” lands (Das et al., 2016). These findings were more compatible with an Irano-Turko-Slavic origin for AJs and a Slavic origin for Yiddish than with the Rhineland hypothesis, which lacks historical, genetic, and linguistic support (Table 1) (van Straten, 2004; Elhaik, 2013). The findings have also highlighted the strong social-cultural and genetic bonds of Ashkenazic and Iranian Judaism and their shared Iranian origins (Das et al., 2016).


Their actions should be enough to prove to Christians that Christ is not in their hearts, but here are just two external pieces of evidence that verify the words of God are true in what they say about them.

God hates the people of Esau because of the evil they have done and continue to do to His people.

Not sure about to whom you are addressing this but I’m pretty sure I made myself clear on this.

The Arab-Israeli War of 1948 broke out when five Arab nations invaded territory in the former Palestinian mandate immediately following the announcement of the independence of the state of Israel on May 14, 1948. In 1947, and again on May 14, 1948, the United States had offered de facto recognition of the Israeli Provisional Government, but during the war, the United States maintained an arms embargo against all belligerents.


https://history.state.gov/milestone...gain on,arms embargo against all belligerents.



I put ereb rab in the browser and found nothing. I put it in translate, still nothing. Perhaps it is spelled wrong? Wiki used Erev Rav "According to contemporary Jewish Orthodox commentary Da'at Miqra, the words roughly correspond to the "mixed many", while Targum Onkelos translates it as "many foreigners". Biblical scholar Shaul Bar has suggested that the term may have referred specifically to foreign mercenaries who intermarried with the Israelite people in Egypt.


Perhaps. But I don't see erev meaning what you believe it does.


There was never an independent political entity in “Palestine” from the time the Kingdom of Judea was renamed “Syria Palaestina” by the Roman Emperor Hadrian as punishment for the Jewish rebellion to the day of Israel’s Declaration of Statehood.So no it's not like Americans or Canadians. Either way, back to your first point, I don't believe the word is translated to mean Arabs. No doubt Jews and Arabs lived together in the state of Palestine, but it was promised to the Jews, not Arabs.




The land wasn't promised to the Christians. It was promised to the Jews, not all the people living in Palestine.



Well again, the land promise wasn't to us. But I don't believe in any obedience to anyone but God.


The covenant God made was unconditional and everlasting. Now other covenants were not. That is what the Jews lost use of the land,but they have never lost the deed. God put Abraham in a deep sleep, why? Why did God do that? Because He made a covenant that He himself will keep. He swore an oath. I showed Scripture of how each generation was promised the land. And each time it is said "this is the land God gave to you and your seed"



It's funny to me and I don't mean humorous, that some Christians today can't identify a Jew and need DNA proof but Hitler murdered over 6 million of them and he had no DNA to prove it. Rather odd don't you think? That some Christians believe a Jew needs to prove they are a Jew, but in 1930s/40s they would have been on a train to Auschwitz without such "proof" of their bloodline.





Ashkenazi-Jews the various theories to try and prove Jews don't "belong" in Israel have been debunked, several times.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/prominent-scholars-blast-theory-tracing-ashkenazi-jews-to-turkey/



Christ is not in their heart yet. I fixed it for you. Romans 11, Jews have been blinded for a time.

Right, His chosen people, Israel, the church doesn't replace the Jews.

It's etymology and the study of the evolution of language. Did you know there is no "v" sound in ancient Hebrew. Hebrew today is a Germanically influenced (Yiddish) version of its ancient version.

Doesn't matter though because our English version of Acts 2 plainly describes Jews as the first recipients of the message of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, and one group of those Jews is described as Arab.

5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven

9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God

Salvation is to the Jew first, ergo, those Arabs were Jews. It wasn't until the conversion and ministry of Paul that salvation was offered to the Gentiles. If you believe scripture then it clearly says some of the Jews at Pentecost were Arabs, which means that there has existed and exist Arabs who are Jews.

Do you believe what is written?

A nation or kingdom has never needed the recognition of other states, nations, or kingdoms to validate its existence. This is exactly why those who went on to occupy the land in 1948 felt they had a right to declare a state, which was done before other nations recognized it. You even acknowledge in your reply that they made a declaration, not a request. It's why the colonists did the same in North America. A territory of people does not need validation from outsiders.

Notwithstanding, the political entity was Judea. It had a line of kings and religious leadership, and it governed itself for the most part...like the states of the USA. It, like every other territory under the Roman Empire, had to operate independently but paid dues/taxes to the Emperor. After the revolt, Judea didn't cease to be. Its name was changed to disconnect its identity from its heritage.

And as goes the land so goes the people. In fulfillment of prophecy, the people would no longer remember who they were. This is what Paul is talking about when he mentions "blindness in part" in Romans 11. His people would forget their identity as The Almighty's chosen people, which is the punishment prophesied in the scriptures.

Psalm 83:4
4 saying, “Come, let us erase them as a nation; may the name of Israel be remembered no more.”

Hosea 1:9
“Then said God, Call his name Loammi: for ye are not my people, and I will not be your God.”

This was their great trouble. "Blindness in part" isn't Jewish people not believing in the Messiah. Blindness has to do with who they believe themselves to be.

In the last days, we are looking for people who are not claiming to be His chosen people, but who fulfill all the signs.

Go back further. War didn't break out because of Arab nations invading. It was a response to Israel's massacre of innocent people and theft of land before any two-state solution and before Israel declared itself a nation.

The following are quotes from Professor Ilan Pappe, Israeli Historian of Hailfa University, someone who was born and raised in the land who studied the true history of the conflict, not the propagandized version that was fed to most foreigners:

"The mainstream Jewish society believed, because that's the way they had been educated, that Palestine was empty; had been empty when the Jewish settlers came there."

"After the Holocaust, it has become almost impossible to conceal large-scale crimes against humanity. Our modern communication-driven world, especially since the upsurge of electronic media, no longer allows human-made catastrophes to remain hidden from the public eye or to be denied. And yet, one such crime has been erased almost totally from the global public memory: the dispossession of the Palestinians in 1948 by Israel. This, the most formative event in the modern history of the land of Palestine, has ever since been systematically denied, and is still today not recognised as an historical fact, let alone acknowledged as a crime that needs to be confronted politically as well as morally."

"Zionism began as a European national movement but turned into a colonialist one once its leaders decided to implement their vision of national revival in the land of Palestine."

"The orders came with a detailed description of the methods to be employed to forcibly evict the people: large-scale intimidation; laying siege to and bombarding villages and population centres; setting fire to homes, properties and goods; expulsion; demolition; and, finally, planting mines among the rubble to prevent any of the expelled inhabitants from returning."

Professor Ilan's research confirms the quotes of David Ben-Gurion on their intentions when they started migrating into the land.

1878
- 448k Muslim & Christian Arabs already in Palestine
- 15k Identified Jewish already there too
- All living peacefully

1882 - 1914
- 65k European immigrants identifying as Jewish enter

1922
- 674k Arabs
- 83k European Jewish
- As more European Jewish immigrants entered they forcibly took away land from their Arab neighbors.

1920-1931
- 109k additional European Jews migrated in and took more territory
- 176k Total European Jews in the land
- 859k Muslim & Christian Arabs

1932-1936
- Another 175k European Jews migrated in and took more from the Arabs.
- Fights increase

1937-1945
- Another 120k Europeans identifying as Jewish enter taking more land from Arabs.
- Conflict now out of control
- This is when the two-state solution was proposed to the Arabs
- European Jews would get 57% of the land and the most fertile land
- Arabs would get 43% of what was left even though they made up 69% of the population and owned 92% by written title deeds.
- European Jews started conquering major Arab cities with their military.

April 9, 1948
- The Massacre of Deir Yassin
- Israeli soldiers raided Arab homes killing whole families: men, women, and children.
- It was a shock and awe campaign to drive terror into the hearts of Arabs
- In terror, several hundred thousand refugees fled their homes into neighboring countries...and that is when the Arab nations got involved.

Not odd at all. Those who study scripture know that their identity is supposed to be a mystery until the Messiah regathers them at His second coming. And regarding the murder of 6 million Jews; here are a series of newspapers published back then that I'd like you to check out.

Video: Newspapers

Someone is lying, either God or man is. I'll stick with God and His word.

John 5:32

Romans 11:12 also says during their "blindness" that they're also poor and the nations are rich? Revelation 3:9 also confirms that the true Jews are poor during the end times.

Do you believe all of the scripture?

Not really. The Rhineland in Germany is deemed to be the former Ashkenaz and originally these Jews came from there. However the majority are now from Central or Eastern Europe or Russia.

How can Arabs (descended from Ishmael and Esau)) be Jews (descended from Isaac and Jacob)?

At the same time, the majority of Jews in the world today are not descendants of Jacob, but come from various European ethnic groups. Because they practice Judaism, for all intents and purposes they are Jews, and God will trace them back to the Ten Tribes.

Son of Hamas: 'There is no difference between Hamas and Palestinian people'
Yousef began the interview by discussing the hatred of Jews within wider Muslim society after Dr. Phil initially asked him what he was taught as a child in Palestinian society. Yousef responded, “There's lots of hatred in that culture against the Jewish people. It's not a secret, in fact, the Muslim belief system has a fundamental problem with the Jewish people.”
https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-795507

This is in the Jerusalem Post, so trying to distinguish between Hamas and the Palestians is almost a lost cause.

Pharisee missionaries took their traditions north from Babylon after the destruction of the Temple, proselytizing the inhabitants. They started at the Caucus Mountains and migrated further north where groups of people converted to the faith.

Meanwhile, blood-descendant Jews would not have traveled North to flee the invading army of Rome because Rome was descending from that direction. The Jews fled south into Arabia and North Africa before migrating across the Mediterranean to areas like Spain. This is why Sephardic Jews look totally different than Ashkenazi Jews, and yet Ashkenazi Jews claim to make up 90% of all Jewry? It's deception.


Genesis 10:1-5
Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.

2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.

3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.

5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

Japheth > Gomer > Ashkenaz > Ashkenazim (People of Ashkenaz = German People)

Converts to a religion do not become blood descendants of the patriarchs. Jewish people don't even trace their lineage through the father as is the biblical tradition but through their mother.

From Wikipedia:
In Judaism, the traditional method of determining Jewishness relies on tracing one's maternal line. According to halakha, the recognition of someone as fully Jewish requires them to have been born to a Jewish mother. A person who is born to a non-Jewish mother and a Jewish father is regarded as Zera Yisrael (lit. 'Seed of Israel') and will only be accepted as ethnically Jewish and not as religiously Jewish. Thus, being Jewish through the paternal line typically necessitates conversion to Judaism to validate one's identity as a Jew in the fullest sense.


So per Jewish tradition, a European woman of any ethnicity can convert to the religion, and then her children born to her, grandchildren, and descendants will be considered ethnically Jewish regardless of their actual heritage. This tradition is nowhere in scripture and is contradictory to it.



These are quotes from Jewish encyclopedia:

"EDOM IS IN MODERN JEWRY." The Jewish Ency. 1925 Ed., Vol. 5, Pg. 41.

“from then on [Edomites] constituted a part of the jewish people, Herod being one of their descendants”, - The Standard Jewish Encyclopedia, 1966 Doubleday & Company, Inc , Garden City, New York, Pg. 592.

They [the non-Israelite Edomites] were then incorporated with the Jewish nation…. "EDOM, IDUMEA," - The Jewish Encyclopedia (New York & London: Funk and Wagnalls Company, 1904) Vol. V, p. 41

…they [the Edomites] were hereafter no other than [non-Israelite] Jews. - Flavius Josephus, The Antiquities of the Jews (Grand Rapids, MI: Dregel Publications, 1960) Book XIII, Chapter IX, Verse 1, p. 279

Again, these are Jewish sources.

Herod was never a descendant of the Israelites, and yet Jewish scholars claim he is in fact part of THEIR current ancestry. Scripture is clear that King Herod and his family were Idumean (Edomites). This is why he wanted to kill Christ as a baby. The Edomites have always wanted to steal back the birthright from the children of Israel. The Pharisees were also Edomites, which is why Christ said their father was the devil.

This is why He rejected their traditions over the scriptures. And it's their traditions that became the basis for the Talmud which they spread north, leading to Talmudism, which was eventually renamed Judaism.

The Almighty never had any part in creating Judaism, and the Son specifically rejected it at every opportunity.

Revisiting Isaiah 11 notice where the remnant will be gathered from when the Messiah comes:

Isaiah 11:10-11
In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner for the peoples; the nations will rally to him, and his resting place will be glorious.

11 In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the surviving remnant of his people from

- Assyria = Iraq (arab)
- Lower Egypt (arab)
- Pathros = Upper Egypt (arab)
- Cush = Ethiopia (african)
- Elam = Iran (arab)
- Shinar / Babylonia = Iraq (arab)
- Hamath = Syria (arab)
- The islands of the sea = also called the Islands of the Gentiles. So "North & Central America" (together called "Turtle Island" in the past), "Britain", and the "Philippines"

^ The Northern Kingdom of Israel (Ephraim)


12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

^ Judah will still be scattered to the four corners of the earth when He comes. Judah will not be in the land.


14 They will swoop down on the slopes of Philistia to the west...

^ They will come in from the side of Gaza to the west of the holy land...


...together they will plunder the people to the east. They will subdue Edom and Moab,

^ They will attack those east of Gaza in the land.


So Edom will be in the land when Messiah comes.

This guy needs a face to face with some of the people here:

https://x.com/DrEliDavid/status/1775870570589986874

I wonder how much money is being deposited in Swiss bank account.

Ya mean from the UN, World bank, WEF, IRAN, and other Jew haters to Hamas "leaders"?

Great question.

Interesting how prior to British settler colonialism and their lies and double dealings they lived together fairly well, but of course peace does not make money so let's go stir the pot a bit and now we have endless wars.

And look even Christians cannot deal with the truth.

Sad that you cannot have a rational conversation but resort to "jew haters" really sad.

Yeah, that's part of my question too.

How about some facts.

1) Trucks are clearly labelled

2) The aid workers reportedly shared their location with the Israeli government before moving through what has been described as a de-conflict Zone and yet their Convoy of three cars was not struck just once but three separate times

3) Survivors fled to another vehicle at which point that car was hit and survivors ran to the Third vehicle where the third Israeli air strike finally killed all of them not even a proverbial a house of brick could withstand an Israeli Drone attack a humanitarian van

4 ) Apparently the mere allegation ( not proof) of a possible armed Palestine justifies killing innocent people
would explain how Israel has managed to kill over 30,000 civilians in one of the costliest wars for children, journalists, doctors and Aid workers in modern history as we've learned over the last months the mere allegation of a Hamas
presence even if unproven is enough to
justify destroying hospitals, schools, cemeteries, homes and kids now it should be clear that Hamas was nearby is also
considered a good justification for killing an American/Canadian citizen.

So no not Propaganda


Imagine a student has the highest number of "mistakes" in a class exam. But the teacher still gives him/her an A++

Alright let's see what come of it. It's never been Israels practice to murder civilians in cold blood. Let's see what comes out in the wash when this is over.