Predestination is misunderstood...
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Romans 8:
20 For the creation was subjected to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who subjected it,
21 in hope that the creation itself shall be freed from the bondage of corruption into the liberty of the glory of the children of God.
All of creation is what Ephesian 1:3-5 speaks about like Romans 8:21 explains.
20 For the creation was subjected to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who subjected it,
21 in hope that the creation itself shall be freed from the bondage of corruption into the liberty of the glory of the children of God.
All of creation is what Ephesian 1:3-5 speaks about like Romans 8:21 explains.
None of this is salvation. It's just not there. Again, Romans defines what the believer is predestinated to...the redemption of the body, when we will be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ. It is a future event.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
"For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope.
That is why we were not deserving punishment before we were saved.
But, rather, required punishment. Punishment that Jesus took upon Himself in our place on the Cross.
Illustration:
A dog that gets rabies did no wrong to get rabies.
He does not deserve death because it was not by his own choice.
But, just the same?
Death was required.
The Cross was the required death of us all..
I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me.
Galatians 2:20a
For God to gain us back to Himself it required that the rebid dog be killed, and then resurrected in a new body!Galatians 2:20a
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you've brought Judgement on me through me showing you scripture and telling you a testimony.
You've all said im under influence of demonic spirit
And now your using scripture to condemn me,
That makes you very evil in theese actions.
Further more your assuming Satan controls time.
And it's not the first time you've said I'm evil.
You've done it many times.
Its you who are acting evil not me.
You've all said im under influence of demonic spirit
And now your using scripture to condemn me,
That makes you very evil in theese actions.
Further more your assuming Satan controls time.
And it's not the first time you've said I'm evil.
You've done it many times.
Its you who are acting evil not me.
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Here's one problem you are presenting that you are failing to see...
The Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. "
Luke 3:22a
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The Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. "
Luke 3:22a
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You ain't no Christian your evil
Are you on drugs or something.
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Who claimed to have physic abilities,
Just because I said God warms me in advance, does that make me physic
What your doing and what you've done over and over is strip me of God, and disrespected God whom I love.
Your highly disrespectful, ànd mean.
And your well suited to Dino who finds your scoffing disrespectful remarks funny.
Just because I said God warms me in advance, does that make me physic
What your doing and what you've done over and over is strip me of God, and disrespected God whom I love.
Your highly disrespectful, ànd mean.
And your well suited to Dino who finds your scoffing disrespectful remarks funny.
@John146
Yes it is, exclusively. Thats why in Vs 13 its called the Gospel of their Salvation Eph 1:13
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
All the afore mentioned blessings are components of their Salvation. Election, Predestination, Redemption, forgivenss, the sealing of the Spirit.
Verses 5-6 tells us that predestination to adoption is to the Praise of Gods Grace, hence the Gospel of Gods Grace
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
Yes it is, exclusively. Thats why in Vs 13 its called the Gospel of their Salvation Eph 1:13
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
All the afore mentioned blessings are components of their Salvation. Election, Predestination, Redemption, forgivenss, the sealing of the Spirit.
Verses 5-6 tells us that predestination to adoption is to the Praise of Gods Grace, hence the Gospel of Gods Grace
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
Predestination is based on God's foreknowledge. Ergo, He knew us before He decided on our destiny.
Romans 8:29
For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Romans 8:29
For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
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