Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

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PaulThomson said:
It would help if you would learn to use the quote function. At the moment, you are raging against who knows what.
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You must have the other person on ignore. Then you don't see their posts when quoted, either.

Under the older platform, that was not the case, so at least in this way, the newer was an improvement.
 
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brightfame52 said:
Jn 3:17 and 16 are the elect only or the Sheep or Christs Church in the world and they are the saved

Aint no possibility to it, its a sure purpose that will occur. Just as Jesus coming into the world was fulfilled hence Matt 1:21-22


21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

Ye do err in your understanding of the word might, you are thinking carnally about it instead of scripturally
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Great example! And there's plenty more dealing with prophecy fulfillment from where that came. But according to Mr. Shiloh, where it is written "that it might be fulfilled" means only possibly fulfilled. God's prophecies could have failed. :rolleyes: Oy vey!
 
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brightfame52 said:
Jn 3:17 and 16 are the elect only or the Sheep or Christs Church in the world and they are the saved

Aint no possibility to it, its a sure purpose that will occur. Just as Jesus coming into the world was fulfilled hence Matt 1:21-22


21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

Ye do err in your understanding of the word might, you are thinking carnally about it instead of scripturally
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Since you are quoting the Reformed Principles verbatim, I made a decision to start quoting Scholars and Theologians who know and which you are not of their educational level.

Here, just so you know what the scholars say about "Might Be Saved"

used to express the possibility that something will happen although not very likely:

That is what you keep doing by placing this to the Elect, they might be saved although not likely.

You are saying the Elect are not saved!

Your biggest failure is to understand the prepositions of the koine Greek, which you are using the KJV and far from that form of Greek.

You are attempting to define word for word but that is not how JOHN wrote it. Whenever one uses the koine Greek, they will use a multitude of prepositions. And since you choose to lack the understanding concerning this, you will always be INCORRECT.
 
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Rufus said:
My goal is to get you to see that your heresy contradicts scripture.
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The Scholars and Theologians cannot be heresy or they would not be in their profession.
So using their definitions is the same as pure 100% solid gold.
 
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PaulThomson said:
If the father did not have any faith that the disciples of Jesus had power to heal his son in Jesus' name, why would he bring the son to them for healing? It seems both he and the disciples had faith, but also had a measure of unbelief that was undoing the effectiveness of their faith. Jesus said a mustard seed of faith without doubting is enough to move a mountain. maybe tou can have faith and have doubt. Maybe you can have a measure of faith that hopes and expects the thing needed but also a measure of counteracting faith in worldly thinking that worries and expects the worst.
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The father did not have the faith anywhere. He said to Jesus, "IF" you cannot heal.
 
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Magenta said:
You must have the other person on ignore. Then you don't see their posts when quoted, either.

Under the older platform, that was not the case, so at least in this way, the newer was an improvement.
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I see. Thanks for that.
 
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PaulThomson said:
No. The father said to Jesus, "If you can..."
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Learning to read would greatly increase your potential to know the truth.

22 ......but if in any way thou canst, have pity on us and help us.

23 But Jesus said to him: What is this “If thou canst”? All things are possible to him that believes.

canst = cannot, not can
 
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Magenta said:
You must have the other person on ignore. Then you don't see their posts when quoted, either.

Under the older platform, that was not the case, so at least in this way, the newer was an improvement.
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I see. Thanks for that.
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
Learning to read would greatly increase your potential to know the truth.

22 ......but if in any way thou canst, have pity on us and help us.

23 But Jesus said to him: What is this “If thou canst”? All things are possible to him that believes.

canst = cannot, not can
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Actually, canst is Old English for can.
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
Learning to read would greatly increase your potential to know the truth.

22 ......but if in any way thou canst, have pity on us and help us.

23 But Jesus said to him: What is this “If thou canst”? All things are possible to him that believes.

canst = cannot, not can
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Actually, canst is Old English for can.
 
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Rufus said:
While, I agree that the term "Calvinism", like "Trinity" is not a term found in holy writ, nonetheless like the concept of the latter like the former, too, is found cover to cover in the Good Book.
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No, it is not. That is not the character of God.
 
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FollowerofShiloh said:
Learning to read would greatly increase your potential to know the truth.

22 ......but if in any way thou canst, have pity on us and help us.

23 But Jesus said to him: What is this “If thou canst”? All things are possible to him that believes.

canst = cannot, not can
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No. "Thou canst" is old English for "you can".
 
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PaulThomson said:
No. "Thou canst" is old English for "you can".
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I am not using the KJV, so it's not old English being translated here.

canst = cannot

And Jesus is still answering like he has no faith.

23 But Jesus said to him: What is this “If thou canst”? All things are possible to him that believes.

So we know it's a lack of faith here being said by the father to Jesus.
 
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