Do we know how Yeshua lived his life?

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Rainrider

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Our best is not emulating Jesus.
Our best is not actually obedience. It may reflect outwardly His behavior, but it will not mirror His inward motivation. So by encouraging people to try to emulate Jesus rather than walk in the Spirit, you are actually encouraging them to sin.
Oh really. So your saying Yeshua lived a sinful life?
 

Rainrider

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Our best is not emulating Jesus.
Our best is not actually obedience. It may reflect outwardly His behavior, but it will not mirror His inward motivation. So by encouraging people to try to emulate Jesus rather than walk in the Spirit, you are actually encouraging them to sin.
Obedience to what?
 

Magenta

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Knowing that, how may I ask do you set aside His teachings and live in a manner that He never said we should?
Whoa. This is why I rarely speak to you. You are full of nonsense.
 

Rainrider

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Whoa. This is why I rarely speak to you. You are full of nonsense.
Yet you seem to have no answer. One thing I do know, is that some wish to pass things off as something they are not, due to their inability to provide an answer. At lest one that can be backed by sound scripture. No big thing for me, I know that by doing my best to walk as Yeshua walked, I will face much of what He had, He even told us as much.

Jhn 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

So when folks try to place me in a bad light, I see it as a sign that I am doing the right thing. After all, if I live a sinful life, and teach that there no law to be obedient to, then no one would think anything of my teachings.
 

Magenta

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So when folks try to place me in a bad light, I see it as a sign that I am doing the right thing.
Okay. I am doing the right thing, then, by deciding it may be best to ignore you altogether due to all the nonsense you spout,
especially after you jump from me saying I don't say certain things, to that meaning that I live in a way that opposes Christ.
In case you are too dense to get it, you immediately placed me in a bad light.
 

Magenta

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In fact you have placed everyone who posts in your threads in a bad light:

In all my threads I find one thing to hold true. That being that the people that post in them hold almost no understanding of Him.

From post #13 on page one. Such nonsense you are full of.
 

Rainrider

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In fact you have placed everyone who posts in your threads in a bad light:

In all my threads I find one thing to hold true. That being that the people that post in them hold almost no understanding of Him.

From post #13 on page one. Such nonsense you are full of.
I stand by that. You see if we truly understand His teachings, we would never say the law was removed. I can go on with the things most wish to remove from His teachings, yet it all comes down to 2 things. The Law and the prophets.
 

Cameron143

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Please show where I said that.
Emulating Jesus is living independently of Him. Walking in the Spirit is living dependently on Him. This is why He said we could do nothing apart from Him. It is also why He told us to seek first His kingdom and His RIGHTEOUSNESS...not our own righteousness.
 

Magenta

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I stand by that. You see if we truly understand His teachings, we would never say the law was removed. I can go on with the things most wish to remove from His teachings, yet it all comes down to 2 things. The Law and the prophets.
If you truly understood His teaching, you would know that the law remains to condemn those who do not believe, by grace through faith, in His shed righteous blood, which paid the penalty for sin, which is death. Those who do believe are reconciled to God and attain to life ever after, being under no condemnation, while those who do not believe, are consigned to the lake of fire and the second death.
 

Rainrider

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Emulating Jesus is living independently of Him. Walking in the Spirit is living dependently on Him. This is why He said we could do nothing apart from Him. It is also why He told us to seek first His kingdom and His RIGHTEOUSNESS...not our own righteousness.
So by me saying we should emulate Yeshua you think I am saying to live a life apart form HaShem? Yet have no way to show that I said this, other than your own hopes and dreams?
In fact if we do our best to live as Yeshua lived, we tie our hearts and minds to HaShem in a way that places us in obediance to HaShem's will. Interesting to see that kind of mental gymnastics.
 

gb9

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Yet you seem to have no answer. One thing I do know, is that some wish to pass things off as something they are not, due to their inability to provide an answer. At lest one that can be backed by sound scripture. No big thing for me, I know that by doing my best to walk as Yeshua walked, I will face much of what He had, He even told us as much.

Jhn 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

So when folks try to place me in a bad light, I see it as a sign that I am doing the right thing. After all, if I live a sinful life, and teach that there no law to be obedient to, then no one would think anything of my teachings.
so, let's just get to it- do you ever sin? yes or no.

i'll go first- yes.

now you.
 

Rainrider

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If you truly understood His teaching, you would know that the law remains to condemn those who do not believe, by grace through faith, in His shed righteous blood, which paid the penalty for sin, which is death. Those who do believe are reconciled to God and attain to life ever after, being under no condemnation, while those who do not believe, are consigned to the lake of fire and the second death.
And as everyone is quick to point out, we can't live a sin free life. So does that mean that the law is there to instruct everyone? Or is there a way to sin that doesn't bring the law into it in anyway?
 

Rainrider

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so, let's just get to it- do you ever sin? yes or no.

i'll go first- yes.

now you.
As I say all the time, I am a sinner. However we are not here to cast stones. Though I have no idea why I thought it would be any different.
 

gb9

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As I say all the time, I am a sinner. However we are not here to cast stones. Though I have no idea why I thought it would be any different.
i am not casting stones.

just asked a question.

you are doing the " you sinners" thing.