Predestination is misunderstood...

You're right: I don't. Jesus did.

You seem to think you have profound insight into the deeper things of the word of God. Unfortunately, it's all blather and foam, but when you're asked to back it up, there is no substance behind it.

No, it was Cain's anger, not sorrow. Nothing in the text says or implies that God gave him sorrow.

Nope. Not supported by the text.

"Serve their punishment"? No. There is no "punishment". There are consequences for sin, declared in Genesis 3:16-19.

As always your heart is intent on disagreement, and not only this your heart is intent to provoke reaction.

Not Good son shine, you will not impress God by destroying his children's reputation. Or trying to prove people are right by God, by testing them yourself, repeatedly over and over again.

Neither will you impress God for behaving in a manner, over and over again that suggest, your doing right by God, by showing you know scripture better than anyone else.

Your manner is spoiling what you could have with God.

That's not what it says. The Godly sorrow leads to repentance and salvation. That isn't what happened with Cain.

Some here by what they confess about salvation that it should read differently.

Here it is again....


For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation
to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Here is what some convey by what they say they think...

For I am not ashamed of regeneration in Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation
to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

That looks odd. And, it is.

But, essentially, that is how some claim we are saved...

grace and peace ................

when ever God does not strike a person Dead he has shown them sorrow,

This is so simple my child understands.

That's not sorrow...it's grace.

It can seem that way... I suppose.

But when we are in eternity we will learn war no more.
Boot camp is preparatory for war...

Learning in church sound doctrine on a regular basis, is boot camp for the war we now will see in time..

I disagree with you when you are objectively wrong.

listen time and time again you only ever see one object of a verb.

That’s the goulash I referred to earlier. All Scripture has one primary meaning, with many applications.

instead of just repeating sorrow.

Why don't you explain exactly what God does to produce sorrow in a person before he repents.

So what is the meaning of the lost sheep, lost coin and lost child? Are they related?

Who was His audience, and why did He relate these stories?

Acts 2:37...when they heard this...He gives spiritual hearing or understanding, they were pricked in their hearts...He circumcises the heart, removing the heart of stone and gives a heart of flesh, and this affects the will...what shall we do?

Publicans and sinners were the predominant audience. The purpose was to teach about the nature and provision of salvation.
This would have been a much different understanding than a group of Jewish publicans and sinners were used to hearing. The religious leaders had already given up on such people, as in verse 2 they indicate that they wouldn't receive such and eat with them. They in fact were held in contempt by the religious leaders who held out no hope for them. Jesus, on the other hand, came for people like them and the parable He tells would have encouraged them that there is a gracious and loving Father who welcomes even sinners such as them.

2 Corinthians 7:10

There is a recent entry explaining the woman and the lost coin that I've kept in mind because I couldn't see reason to reject the idea. I wish I could remember exactly where so I could link it here, but it had to do with something along the idea that the coin representing a significant portion of her person and, if there is a common thread within these three parables, then a theme of wholeness would certainly qualify in each of them. The Shepard, the woman, and the prodigal's father all rejoice when the whole, all his sheep, all her coins, and both his sons (he reminds his begrudging son that he's been with him all along, i.e. that he'd been loved just as much), are reunited, and wholeness is restored.

Who said that the Gospel "saves"? The Gospel generates saving faith (Rom 10:17). But all will not believe. Many will resist the convincing and conviction of the Holy Spirit. Some perhaps at the beginning, and some even after many opportunities to repent. But only those who obey the Gospel are saved by grace through FAITH (Eph 2:8,9). And that is why we have Christ's commands to go into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature. He that believes is saved, but he that does not believe is damned (Mark 16:15,16). However God wants ALL MEN to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth (1 Tim 2:3,4).

So you are saying that Godly sorrow makes repentance,

They where spoke to by an apostle who told them they a story that made them have sorrow.

The sorrow they experienced was there own sorrow.

I take it you do know distress is sorrow.

It no different to the holy spirit convicting the whole world of sin


The whole world is without excuse, and they will all feel distress for there sin

But Not all will repent.

The same as the the seed that is given to all. Not all will accept the seed.


They said what should we do, which means they all had be told what to do.

They then had to be baptised for themselves, or chose not to


Does everyone choose to get baptised


Well no they don't .

Infact many people in these forums call it not necessary for anything.


Or argue it just act of symbolism.


When no it's a commandment to walk in obedience

Then There's the message to the saved people of the church being told unless thou repent thou will have thou candle stick removed.

Obviously they had not repented because they where not listening to there pricked heart, and had to be told.