The Error of KJV-Onlyism

Look, we are agreed that the number of the beast is 666.
People who are not even Christian are aware of this fact.

But on the other part you are failing to grasp what I am trying to say.
You can say 666 is the number of man but this is in the sense that man’s number 6 being repeated three times.
Imagine if an early day Christian made a perfect copy of the New Testament originals that God endorsed. Along with the originals: This would not be two entirely different New Testaments that were foreign or different to each other. In essence, it would only be one New Testament that Christians are to follow. The NT originals and this perfect copy of the NT would be mirror reflections of each other. So in this case, they both could be referred to as the one New Covenant (With one being the original, and the other a perfect copy). But they are not entirely different in the sense to say they are two entirely different New Testaments just because there are two physical versions of them. It’s like seeing a mirror reflection of yourself. There is technically only one ”you” but a mirror makes it appear like there are more.

Imagine if a Pastor had three New Testament Bibles on his podium and he told the church in his speech that we are to follow only one New Covenant or New Testament as he touched these bibles. Technically there is only one New Covenant even though there may be mirror reflections or duplicates representing that one true teaching given to God’s people throughout time in the form of Scripture.

Man was created on day 6 (Genesis 1:27).
Man was given six days to work (Exodus 20:9, Exodus 31:5).
Six Cities of Refuge: In Joshua 20:7-9, six cities were designated as cities of refuge where someone who accidentally killed another person could flee for protection. These cities were provided for the safety of individuals, highlighting the concern for human life.
Think. God told Joshua to march around Jericho seven times and not six times.
Why? Because six is the number of man, and seven is God’s number.
God took down the walls of Jericho and it was not the might of man.

I know you don’t believe any of this, but facts are facts.
You can do whatever you want with those facts.
They exist nonetheless.



So is Revelation 13:18 telling you the reader (if you have understanding) to count a specific number? Yes, or no?
Is that voodoo numerology? Yes, or no?
Why is Revelation 13:18 telling you to count a specific number if it already gives you the answer?
This is where you cannot answer because you don’t have understanding to count in light of what Revelation 13:18 teaches.



First, nowhere I was I referring to multiplication of 6 x 3. 2nd graders know how to do multiplication in basic Math. So don’t assume that is what I was talking about.

Second, here is what Perplexity says.

Yes, saying that 666 is a multiple of 6 threes is correct. In the context of the number 666, it can be viewed as a multiple of 6 threes, which emphasizes the significance of the number in relation to imperfection and incompleteness. The repetition of six three times in 666 symbolizes the completeness of sinful incompleteness found in the beast, highlighting imperfection despite appearing to strive for divine perfection[3][4]. This interpretation aligns with the symbolic nature of numbers in Revelation and their figurative significance rather than a literal gematria calculation[1].

Source:
https://www.perplexity.ai/search/If-I-say-q.rSh1ppSaWoLXsrjfuP0g



So you are of the view that Christians for hundreds of years were using a corrupt Bible?
Two Textus Receptus Bible translators died giving us the line we have that leads to the KJV.
They died for nothing? What about all the great revivals that happened involving the KJV? Just forget about all that?
What about the black abolitionists who used the KJV to help end slavery in this country? Just forget about all that?
They had a corrupt Bible and so they were wrong? What kind of good fruit have the Modern Bibles produced? I will tell you.
Confusion, and lots of money lost buying multiple versions of the same Bible even. Your NIV is not the same as your later NIV and even your side has complained about the gender inclusive language within it. No doubt to fit the Leftist agenda.



Uh, sorry. You cannot play the same card I gave to you. I believe in one Bible and not many like you that say conflicting things. You don’t have any standard or any one Bible that you believe is God’s Holy Word. You get to pick and choose whatever reading you feel is best. I don’t have that luxury. So sorry. You cannot make the same claim that I have said to you before. It doesn’t apply here.



So now you are a mind reader? You have no idea of my motivations when I read Scripture. But just to fill you in, I believe in letting the Bible speak for itself. One Bible and not many bibles like you believe.



You don’t have a Bible (singular). You don’t believe any Bible is the perfect, inerrant, inspired words of God that you can holds in your hands.



Again, what is Revelation 13:18 telling you or the reader who has understanding to do?
Is it wrong of God to give you or the reader who has understanding to count the number of the beast to figure out his number?
So a number is attached to a specific person. There is a number and it has a meaning attached to it. Is this voodoo numerology?



Careful now. If it is in the Bible as taught in the Bible (Revelation 13:18), then you would be insulting God’s instruction to you and claiming it as evil. This would not sit well with you at the Judgment of Christ if you continue to do so.



In your mind it does not exist because you don’t understand what the Scriptures are teaching on this matter.
However, it is good thing your understanding does not determine reality.



It is a logical deduction that it isn’t made out of green cheese based on the observable data.
I don’t know the Earth is round, but I do know that it is round or a sphere based on the data we are given.



And you don’t think I believe you are being illogical and irrational?
I believe you are being illogical and irrational for not believing in one Bible that you can hold in your hands and just believe it without question. To suggest that the Bible has errors in it is to become your own authority.

I consider the textus receptus to be the only authorized version by the Lord.

Anyway, is it "numerolatry" to count the number of the beast and understand that it is the number of a man?

I consider the textus receptus to be the only authorized version by the Lord.

I consider the textus receptus to be the only authorized version by the Lord.

Well, good for you. What is the reasoning behind your statement?

Look, we are agreed that the number of the beast is 666.
People who are not even Christian are aware of this fact.

But on the other part you are failing to grasp what I am trying to say.
You can say 666 is the number of man but this is in the sense that man’s number 6 being repeated three times.
Imagine if an early day Christian made a perfect copy of the New Testament originals that God endorsed. Along with the originals: This would not be two entirely different New Testaments that were foreign or different to each other. In essence, it would only be one New Testament that Christians are to follow. The NT originals and this perfect copy of the NT would be mirror reflections of each other. So in this case, they both could be referred to as the one New Covenant (With one being the original, and the other a perfect copy). But they are not entirely different in the sense to say they are two entirely different New Testaments just because there are two physical versions of them. It’s like seeing a mirror reflection of yourself. There is technically only one ”you” but a mirror makes it appear like there are more.

Imagine if a Pastor had three New Testament Bibles on his podium and he told the church in his speech that we are to follow only one New Covenant or New Testament as he touched these bibles. Technically there is only one New Covenant even though there may be mirror reflections or duplicates representing that one true teaching given to God’s people throughout time in the form of Scripture.

Man was created on day 6 (Genesis 1:27).
Man was given six days to work (Exodus 20:9, Exodus 31:5).
Six Cities of Refuge: In Joshua 20:7-9, six cities were designated as cities of refuge where someone who accidentally killed another person could flee for protection. These cities were provided for the safety of individuals, highlighting the concern for human life.
Think. God told Joshua to march around Jericho seven times and not six times.
Why? Because six is the number of man, and seven is God’s number.
God took down the walls of Jericho and it was not the might of man.

I know you don’t believe any of this, but facts are facts.
You can do whatever you want with those facts.
They exist nonetheless.



So is Revelation 13:18 telling you the reader (if you have understanding) to count a specific number? Yes, or no?
Is that voodoo numerology? Yes, or no?
Why is Revelation 13:18 telling you to count a specific number if it already gives you the answer?
This is where you cannot answer because you don’t have understanding to count in light of what Revelation 13:18 teaches.



First, nowhere I was I referring to multiplication of 6 x 3. 2nd graders know how to do multiplication in basic Math. So don’t assume that is what I was talking about.

Second, here is what Perplexity says.

Yes, saying that 666 is a multiple of 6 threes is correct. In the context of the number 666, it can be viewed as a multiple of 6 threes, which emphasizes the significance of the number in relation to imperfection and incompleteness. The repetition of six three times in 666 symbolizes the completeness of sinful incompleteness found in the beast, highlighting imperfection despite appearing to strive for divine perfection[3][4]. This interpretation aligns with the symbolic nature of numbers in Revelation and their figurative significance rather than a literal gematria calculation[1].

Source:
https://www.perplexity.ai/search/If-I-say-q.rSh1ppSaWoLXsrjfuP0g



So you are of the view that Christians for hundreds of years were using a corrupt Bible?
Two Textus Receptus Bible translators died giving us the line we have that leads to the KJV.
They died for nothing? What about all the great revivals that happened involving the KJV? Just forget about all that?
What about the black abolitionists who used the KJV to help end slavery in this country? Just forget about all that?
They had a corrupt Bible and so they were wrong? What kind of good fruit have the Modern Bibles produced? I will tell you.
Confusion, and lots of money lost buying multiple versions of the same Bible even. Your NIV is not the same as your later NIV and even your side has complained about the gender inclusive language within it. No doubt to fit the Leftist agenda.



Uh, sorry. You cannot play the same card I gave to you. I believe in one Bible and not many like you that say conflicting things. You don’t have any standard or any one Bible that you believe is God’s Holy Word. You get to pick and choose whatever reading you feel is best. I don’t have that luxury. So sorry. You cannot make the same claim that I have said to you before. It doesn’t apply here.



So now you are a mind reader? You have no idea of my motivations when I read Scripture. But just to fill you in, I believe in letting the Bible speak for itself. One Bible and not many bibles like you believe.



You don’t have a Bible (singular). You don’t believe any Bible is the perfect, inerrant, inspired words of God that you can holds in your hands.



Again, what is Revelation 13:18 telling you or the reader who has understanding to do?
Is it wrong of God to give you or the reader who has understanding to count the number of the beast to figure out his number?
So a number is attached to a specific person. There is a number and it has a meaning attached to it. Is this voodoo numerology?



Careful now. If it is in the Bible as taught in the Bible (Revelation 13:18), then you would be insulting God’s instruction to you and claiming it as evil. This would not sit well with you at the Judgment of Christ if you continue to do so.



In your mind it does not exist because you don’t understand what the Scriptures are teaching on this matter.
However, it is good thing your understanding does not determine reality.



It is a logical deduction that it isn’t made out of green cheese based on the observable data.
I don’t know the Earth is round, but I do know that it is round or a sphere based on the data we are given.



And you don’t think I believe you are being illogical and irrational?
I believe you are being illogical and irrational for not believing in one Bible that you can hold in your hands and just believe it without question. To suggest that the Bible has errors in it is to become your own authority.

Interesting. Are you aware that the Textus Receptus did not exist before about 1515, and was not called by that name until about 1632?

Jude 3:4 says to earnestly 'contend for the faith once delivered to the saints.'

When the apostles passed on the teachings of Jesus and their own teachings as led by the Spirit, and when their teachings were written down in gospels and epistles, they did not write them in Late Modern English. They wrote in Greek.

There are some people who teach basically that the King James Bible is word-for-word inspired. That would require basically the canon of scripture to be open until 1611, turning translators into something like inspired scripture writers.

I've seen a variety of arguments for KJV onlyism. One is to point to flaws of other manuscript compilations that some other translation was translated from. But that doesn't prove the KJV is an inerrant inspired translation.

Another argument is that the Bible you have 'in your hand' needs to be inspired. But I could hold an NIV or NASB in my hand, too. That doesn't make it inspired.

Another argument is that there has to be a 'final authority.' It doesn't make any sense to use that to argue that the KJV is an inspired inerrant translation.

Some KJV-onlyist argue that it was the only translation 'authorized' by a king. But Henry VIII had the Great Bible translated, and that doesn't make it an inerrant translation.

Yet another argument is to take a verse about how pure or preserved the word of God is, quoting a verse about it. But those verses existed in the actual original languages scripture was written in, and they show up in the other translations as well. So how is that an argument for KJV onlyism?

The fatal flaw of KJV-onlyism is that it is an ignorant back-woods idea made up by preachers or others some time after the KJV was translated, and not part of 'the faith once delivered to the saints. The apostles did teach it. The Bible doesn't teach it. People got saved through believing the word of God before King James was born.

I am indeed of the view that Christians for hundreds of years have been using using a corrupt Bible!

I have news for you: the King James translation is not (and never has been) a perfect Bible.

Every Bible is a translation of three different ancient languages, with sources that don't always agree.

Even your beloved KJV has been modified over time, so which version was/is perfect???

And why aren't the others perfect?

The Hebrew Bible was composed over a long span of time, from the ninth to the fifth century B.C.E. and the ancient Hebrew scrolls have no vowels? So the translator has to guess about which vowels to add. It wasn't until the 10th Century CE that the Masoretes added vowels to the Hebrew, so the gap between the latest Hebrew "books" and the addition of vowels was 1500 years. And they had to give their best guess about what was correct.

Hopefully you now know something you previously didn't,

It is a waste of time reading your posts;

you are being illogical and irrational, as usual.

But I have nothing better to do at the moment and I wanted a good laugh. 8^)

The KJV is based on the stream oc manuscripts represented by 99% of surviving manuscripts. Most modern bibles ate based on a Greek text compiled by two spiritualists and based on aberrant anomalous hignly amended manuscripts. So the KJV has more credibility on those grounds.

Howevet, the KJV is mistranslated on places imo.

I worship God, not a book! Jesus, when He was on Earth as a man, was the only perfect being. I worship God and His Son (via the Holy Spirit). Unlike yourself, I do not worship a man-made book.

Westcott & Hort

Sounds like calvinists started a christian pop band