Women Pastors

You have to properly divide the word. If it says in one place that women should keep silent in the churches but in another place talks about hymns, words of instruction, revelation, and so forth when coming together it must not mean at a church.

I don't know what else would be meant.

Yes, that is why we are discussing it.

So again you believe it is a sin for a woman to sing in church. Well a whoooooooole lot of women are headed for hell then. It could also mean that Paul was being specific to the people he was talking to.

Personally, I think Paul was trying to protect women. He knew from experience they’d be beat up by men if they taught the Gospel. Paul, as I understand it, did this kind of thing before his conversion. I actually heard a pastor say this many years ago. I wonder what men have against women.

Why would it not be permitted for women to speak in one church while it was permitted for women to speak in another church (Paul wrote "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak;" 1 Corinthians 14:34 KJV)? I think you might have to reach rather far to come up with an explanation for that one.

…because mean, insecure men might not like it?

I didn't see this correlation when I initially read it and wouldn't have been aware of it unless you told me, so I don't think that it's the case.

I was responding to you saying that Paul might have been being specific to the people he was talking to (in actuality he might have been, but I think the principle stands for everyone based on what I wrote in my previous post).

It’s interesting that back in 1 Corinthians 11:5- 13, it is written that women were to pray and prophesy in the church. See? I think we’re missing something here. Perhaps a bad translation? Did Paul change his mind. I don’t think so.

I don't know if it's talking about in church.

as in a building?

It seems to me that "in the church" has different meanings for different groups. There is the church at 1313 Broadway St. group and there is a church in (the realm of) New York Group. The Broadway church doesn't recognize members outside of the 1313 checkpoint.

Have any idea what law that would be?

There’s a very simple explanation: Paul was quoting someone else in verses 34-35 and then correcting him in verses 36-38. The evidence for this is the phrase, “as the Law also says”, which is not in the Law anywhere. Paul knew the Law very well and wouldn’t have made that error.

With those two verses in quotes, the whole meaning of the passage is reversed.

Thank you, I was totally reading it wrong. So sorry to anybody for what I wrote. I think what is in 1 Timothy might still be a model to follow for churches though. A "word of instruction" might be different than "teaching".

Who follows the Law? Most certainly not the Church. Jesus changed how everything was done, especially how the Law operated.

Here's the issue. We have all of Paul's Letters. But back then, Ephesus had no idea what Paul wrote to the Romans, the Romans had no idea what Paul wrote to the Philippians, or Colossians, or anyone else but to themselves. The Letter to Ephesus was only a one time event and specific to the issues surrounding that specific Church, area, and outside practices.

Look at Phebe.
She was Evangelizing to the Romans and we see nowhere in the Letter to the Romans anything about women not Preaching or leading.

Look at the Samaritan Woman (this is what's documented about her).
She was quick to spread the news of her meeting with Jesus, and through this many came to believe in him. Her continuing witness is said to have brought so many to the Christian faith that she is described as "equal to the apostles". Eventually, having drawn the attention of Emperor Nero, she was brought before him to answer for her faith, suffering many tortures and dying a martyr after being thrown down a dry well.
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Jesus is the ONE who made her become the Evangelist/Preacher she became.


I personally see the Letter to Ephesus in Timothy as a single incident. No way would Paul go against what Jesus did. If Paul did, why are we reading his Letters?

"The origin of 'speak now or forever hold your peace' can be traced back to the Christian marriage ceremony, particularly with the Anglican church. It is part of the marriage liturgy found in the Book of Common Prayer, first published in 1594. The phrase was initially a legal requirement meant to prevent unlawful marriages...the phrase...is a call for objections during a wedding ceremony... (U.S. Dictionary, updated March 2, 2024)."

I wonder if this is somehow related to keeping silence...

Lol, well see what happened was, Charlie said that the reason women are Biblically allowed to teach children is because children are incapable of being mature enough to accept Jesus until they turn 18 (no idea why he chose that number). And then some of us girls who actually work in youth ministry got mad because we have seen God work in the hearts of plenty of kids younger than 18 and have seen the good fruit that has come of it. Forbidding ANYONE to come to Jesus (especially for a reason they have no control over) is a pretty dangerous proposition I think. But if Charlie is comfortable doing that then there's not much else I can say.

YES. THAT. ^^^^

My church might not permit me to preach a Sunday sermon due to being female, I really don't know..... BECAUSE THE MEN IN LEADERSHIP DON'T MAKE A BIG DEAL ABOUT IT. They have made it clear that they want EVERYONE in the congregation to use their gifts and follow God's leading. And so far they have always backed up my leading and I have never felt impeded or jumpy about what they might say or rebuke me for due to being female. It's as if they actually see my gifts and potential, rather than limitations and restrictions. Sooooooo........I'm happy. I don't really need anything else. *shrugs*