Should Jesus love you because you are a sinner 🤔

Firstly let's look at scripture after the fall.

3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. 4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5 he[b] predestined us for adoption to sonship[c] through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will


There seems to be alot of people here using the above scripture, saying God knew Adam and eve would sin before they did In the garden of eden, which was a heavenly Garden where Adam and Eve walked with God.

A place where you could live in the presence of God and be trusted,

A place where you was walking in innocence, without shame of who you where, and without shame of who your father was.

lets look at the scripture again.


3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. 4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5 he[b] predestined us for adoption to sonship[c] through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will


The first sentence reads he chose us to be holy and blameless.

so does that mean he chose us to sin in the garden of eden.

does it mean he created us knowing we would sin.

it looks like it's saying he created us to be holy and blameless, and none of the above.


Then we see the word before ? 🤔

Cannot before also mean to be brought before Creation, or to be brought before God.

so we see the words he chose us before the Creation of the world

well is God not creation and everything in his creation


look where his creation also speaks

for God said let us make man in our image

who was the us 🤔

well would not the us be all of creation at that time when he spoke this verse, let us make man in our image.

should we lose the word us in favour of doctrine

I Mean surly if God is asking a group to participate in the creation of man, that is what it means.


so the most important part of the question here is.

Did God choose us before the creation of the world to be adopted by his son because he knew we would sin.

or did he choose his son to adopt us out of love because he loves us.


So this seems to be lost amongst many , that somehow God chose his son to love us because he knew we would sin.


hmmm I mean isn't this just a bit of a dilemma.

surely when Adam and eve where created, before they sinned Jesus would of loved them anyway.

But then I suppose we also should look at knowing whether God knew Adam and eve would sin at first in the Garden of eden.


Well it seems pretty strange that God would command Adam and eve not to eat of the tree of knowledge, if God already knew they where going to anyway.

then we come to Genesis 3 which suggests in a total of God suggestion, on 5 different occasions that God before the fall of man, did not know Man was going to sin before they did.


but Besides this Should Jesus love us because we are sinners.

Or should Jesus love you because he can 🤔

To the thread title: No.

"Should" implies that there is a debt, an obligation owed. It implies that we "deserve" salvation when in truth the only thing we deserve is death for our sins. There is no obligation on Jesus to do anything for us; He died for us because He loves us... period.

A always your period speeches are not the bee all and end all.

The thread is not about the reason he died for us in case you never noticed. 😊

Bible says God loves sinners and wishes none should perish. That is the period to the question.

Defending someone without knowing there intentions is not wise rosey, and then giving them an idea as to how to respond is not wise either rosey. ❤️

His period speeches are generally on the bases, that he knows more than most people do.

God loves us not because we deserve it but because he is love.
Jesus came to save the sinners like me.

On this one he is correct. I've been knowin' my brother for many years now on CC. Haven't known him as one who strays from the truth into his own interpretations. So you're gonna have to show us both where you think we're wrong.

Your questions

but Besides this Should Jesus love us because we are sinners.

Or should Jesus love you because he can 🤔

The answer to both may be found in the Scriptures below, Read with understanding,


1 John 1:9 - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Mark 2:17 - When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Romans 5:8 - But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Revelation 21:8 - But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

1 John 5:16 - If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

2 Peter 3:9 - The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Ecclesiastes 7:20 - For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not.

Matthew 6:24 - No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Ephesians 2:8-9 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: (Read More...)

Mark 2:1-28 - And again he entered into Capernaum after some days; and it was noised that he was in the house. (Read More...)

James 2:10 - For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

2 Peter 2:4 - For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Luke 15:1-2 - Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him. (Read More...)

1 John 3:5-10 - And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. (Read More...)

John 8:44 - Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Matthew 6:1-34 - Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. (Read More...)

I showed you where you could wrong to defend his closing wording,

And I showed him where he was wrong to make the thread about something else, before discussion the original discussion i posted.

So it's on you if you wish to to carry on the defending something that you should know the intension of someone first before defending them.

Whilst he may have been nice to you because your a lady. He has certainly only shown me rudeness, more than he has done courtesy.

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

Matthew 18:11-13 (KJV)

11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?

13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.

Does this answer the question of the title.

Does God love you because you are sinner ?

The scriptures say For God so loved the world he gave his one only son,

Which part of this scripture says God so loved the world because you are a sinner.

Does Jesus atone each and very persons blood before there born.

The blood that Jesus atoned was the blood he was born with.

Did he die to atone blood of people that has not been atoned.

In some cases I do.

You chose the thread title.

Ah… so a straightforward, biblically sound response is “rude”. I see.

Well I think God and Jesus would love us if we were not sinners, but Jesus seems to say in those verses though not explicitly that he loves those that have gone astray, so he seems to have a love for us that is because we are sinners.

It can't be it seems can it, it has to be he loves you either because you are a sinner or not, which one is it.

There has to be another reason why he loves you.

What the title implies, is why does God love you.

Nothing else, nothing more.

Because God is Love \/...

God loves us in spite of the fact that we are sinners.

This brings up a question I've given a lot of thought to. But before that, let me say this:

God is not "obligated" or "required" to do ANYTHING, at least not in the way that we understand obligations and requirements. God is not "duty-bound" to do what He does; He does those things because they are in His nature to do. In order to assert that God is obligated, required or duty-bound, one would have to say that there is some authority higher and greater than Him. Which there isn't.

As for my question, I have asked myself, "Would God be perfectly just if He condemned all of mankind, full stop, or is He perfectly just BECAUSE He chose to offer salvation to us?" In any case, we don't "deserve" it.

The Scripture says that God is love.

Also, God could never do anything that is contrary to His nature. He cannot sin, He cannot change, He cannot NOT exist, etc.

We will never FULLY understand God; we were never meant to.

So therefore, my question remains unanswered. And I'm perfectly fine with that.