Predestination is misunderstood...

You do not point out wrong things being taught. You point out things that you have distorted into something that was not said.

Nothing about you that three years of intensive "quality" study could not cure.
Right now, you are like that kid that hates going to school, and disrupts the class when seeing students liking to learn.

You really do not want to learn right now. With the one exception of learning how well you can disrupt a classroom and get the attention placed on you.

Do you want to learn about God. or not?

I am not saying God created man to fall. But, God created man knowing man would fall. And, knowing how God could use the fall to his advantage of making his enemies his footstool, He then wanted the fall (but only for that reason I just gave).

God then implemented using fallen man as a teaching tool for angels, especially fallen angels ,, who take on a similar attitude like you are now projecting towards learning truth. Yes... fallen angels are getting a taste of their own medicine by seeing how you interact with those here wanting to learn.

We all came into Christianity being examples of attitudes that angels see and recognize. God then shows angels why some angels in how they think must be condemned and eliminated from eternal interaction with others. That is why we see the Lake of Fire. For the Lake of Fire is the ultimate quarantine of containing evil.

If you out grow your own natural tendencies and become transformed by truth then the angels of God rejoice.

Wishing you a nice Day....

They create natural alliances, yes, and these are among categorically included in Maslow's hierarchy of needs, of which's goals I believe should be inverted in order to achieve any sort of effectiveness. If we started with "self actualization," that is, realize who we are relative to sons and daughters of the Most High God, all the other levels of need would fall into place accordingly. We wouldn't worry after alliances if we actually realized that God is for us, and provides all our needs, including all our brethren. I know these are "out there" somewhere, wherever God has seen fit to strategically place them. And so, if I should worry after a physical presence (didn't Paul write of being in spiritual presence?), my worry is found unwarranted in my notion of any immediate need.

When God was speaking to the Divine council?
He was not including the Divine council in with the plurality found in.. "Let us make man in our Image."

God was telling the Divine Council something different. That this time around? That God (plurality) will make man in His Image.
Because in the previous creation the type of prehistoric man that had been created God had assigned angels to transform those generic type men into God's image. That was their assignment. But, history as found in the Bible, reveals that the angels failed miserably and all prehistoric men needed to be destroyed by God, as revealed in the Book of Jeremiah.

I learned the following from Professor Stan Ashby who taught ancient languages and was associated with Harvard during WW2.

Jeremiah 4:23-27
New King James Version

23
I beheld the earth, and indeed it was without form, and void; (Jeremiah just cited Genesis 1:2)
And the heavens, they had no light.
24
I beheld the mountains, and indeed they trembled,
And all the hills moved back and forth. (giving insight into how the first creation was destroyed by God)
25
I beheld, and indeed there was no man, (Hebrew speaks of a generic form of man - humanoid)
And all the birds of the heavens had fled.
26
I beheld, and indeed the fruitful land was a wilderness,
And all its cities were broken down
At the presence of the Lord,
By His fierce anger. (that was the destruction of the first created world)

27
This is what the Lord says:

“The whole land will be ruined,
though I will not destroy it completely.

(verse 27- Voice of prophesy letting Israel know that they will not end up utterly destroyed like the first judged creation ended up.
For Israel will survive and not be totally destroyed like we find the state of the earth in Genesis 1:2)

........................
grace and peace!

One time I was passing through a city and decided to stop for fuel before heading to my destination. It was a very hot sticky humid day and I was wearing a t'shirt because anything more would have made me over heat. As I was pumping fuel I looked around to see and observe the area I was at. I saw 2 men with a cardboard sign, "will work for food."

After I fueled up I went into the station and bought a couple waters and subs. Then I proceeded to where these 2 men were standing at. As I arrived and was handing the waters and subs to them, a man in a long dark over coat, dressed in all black, with long jet black hair just appeared behind them. As I saw this man my skin began to goose bump and he had his head tilted forward to the ground but his eyes were staring at me. I told these men, "Jesus Christ loves you and He's waiting for you to come home." When I looked to see the other man's reaction, he was across the street. I don't know how someone can get from one side of a city street to the next in the span of saying, "Jesus Christ loves you and He's waiting for you to come home," but that thing did.

I think we can see evil everywhere if we pay attention. And if we would pay attention, it's easy to defeat and we could easily have control of every city in the world.

So a part of you is now accepting it's a possibility he did not create Adam knowing what they would do next as in seeing into there future,

As your now saying he could have had angels watching them in the garden to tell him what they where doing.

Is this kind of a partial agreement 🤔

😊😊

can I ask are you a partial Calvinist or a full blown one 😊

English must not be your first language. I am saying God could have done it different ways but does not mean God did not know Adam would sin before Adam sinned.

Tell me something.
Do you think God knows the next post you make will be as foolish as the prior 100 posts you've already made in this thread?

That's a foolish suggestion,

You said maybe God had angels watching them in the garden of eden.

Why would they need to be watched in the garden if eden, when firstly they free, innocent. And God had saw everything he created was Good

Secondly, why would God tell them not to eat from the tree of knowledge, if.he knew that they was going to.

Reality check dudes 😂

all I ever here from you, is you you you..

Well sir you should take a reality check 😂

You can ask.

well as always we dont get a straight answer from you 😊

Showing verses with the Biblical understanding of the word "fair" which, in essence, is to be without bias or partiality but (to act) in accordance with what is right.

Leviticus 19:15 (similar Deut.1:16 and Deut.16:18)
“‘Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly.

Proverbs 1:3 (one of the reasons for the book of Proverbs)
for receiving instruction in prudent behavior, doing what is right and just and fair;

Proverbs 29:14
If a king judges the poor with fairness, his throne will be established forever.

Proverbs 31:9
Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy.

Ezekiel 18:8 (speaking of the righteous man)
He does not lend to them at interest or take a profit from them. He withholds his hand from doing wrong and judges fairly between two parties.

Luke 20:21
Then they asked Him, saying, “Teacher, we know that You say and teach rightly, and You do not show personal favoritism, but teach the way of God in truth:

Romans 2:11
For God shows no partiality.

Galatians 2:6
But from those who seemed to be something—whatever they were, it makes no difference to me; God shows personal favoritism to no man—for those who seemed to be something added nothing to me.

James 2:1
My brethren, do not hold the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with partiality.

James 3:17
But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere.

1 Peter 1:17
Since you call on a Father who judges each person’s work impartially, live out your time as foreigners here in reverent fear.

I think that is more than enough to show God is both just and fair.

All those verses deal with justice. But thanks.

You can't be just without being fair.

I hope I'm not standing next to you when you explain to God He wasn't fair.

You like going AWOL in the spiritual warfare....

Why not say? All those verses reveal truth?

Could have gotten around it that way also!

Some people can't handle the truth.

what a suprise another you you you, and accusation.

I'm beginning suspect your possessed with all your accusations.

So come on then clever clogs let's hear your suggestion, as to why God asked Adam and eve not to eat from the tree of knowledge if he knew they where going to,

You asked if you can ask a question. I said you can ask. That’s about as straight an answer as you can get.