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Webers.Home

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This year's celebration is humorous as it restores Jesus' corpse to life 22
days before he gets crucified during Passover towards the end of April. Oh
well; it's the thought that counts rather than the date.

Anyway; we should probably start discussions of Easter now rather than
waiting till the last minute.
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Bouncing from Matt 12:40 we get Jonah 1:17, which says:

"The Lord provided a great fish to swallow Jonah, and he was inside the fish
three days and three nights."

FAQ: Was Jonah alive in the fish?

REPLY: Yes. (Jonah 2:1)

FAQ: The whole time?

REPLY: No; at some point in his nautical adventure Jonah went to a place
called sheol (Jonah 2:2) which is located at the roots of the mountains.
(Jonah 2:6)

Well; the roots of the mountains aren't located in the tummies of fish, nor
are they located under the sea, rather: they're located underground deep in
the Earth. So, the only way that Jonah could possibly be at the roots of the
mountains while simultaneously in the belly of a fish was for the man and his
body to part company and go their separate ways. (This is not impossible
because according to Matt 10:28 people can exist as disembodied souls.)

Also, the language of Jonah's prayer strongly suggests that his corpse was
restored to life, i.e. resurrected.

Jonah 2:6 . . I descended to the roots of the mountains. The earth with its
bars was around me forever, But Thou hast brought up my life from the pit,
O Lord my God.

The Hebrew word for "pit" basically pertains to holes in the ground, but
sometimes speaks of putrefaction too, e.g. Ps 16:8-10 & Acts 2:25-31. In
other words; had Jonah's body been left inside that fish's tummy for much
longer, it would've been digested to oblivion.

Matt 12:40 . . For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of
a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the
heart of the earth.

Now when you think about it; Jesus' remains weren't laid to rest in the heart
of the Earth; and in point of fact they weren't even buried in the Earth's soil.
They were laid to rest up on the surface of the earth in a rock-hewn tomb.
So the only way that Jesus could be up on the surface of the Earth and down
its interior simultaneously was for he and his body to part company and go
their separate ways the same as Jonah's did.

Also: it was essential to get Jesus back up on his feet again before a fourth
day to prevent his body from being lost to rot. (John 11:39, Ps 16:8-10,
Acts 2:25-31)

NOTE: Jonah 2:5-7 strongly suggests that he was already deceased via
drowning prior to the fish; which makes sense seeing as Jesus was deceased
prior to the tomb, viz: neither man was buried alive.
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This year's celebration is humorous as it restores Jesus' corpse to life 22
days before he gets crucified during Passover towards the end of April. Oh
well; it's the thought that counts rather than the date.


Anyway; we should probably start discussions of Easter now rather than
waiting till the last minute.
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You really should think about how you speak of the Lord using such profane language. The Lord Jesus is NOT Common, nor should you speak of Him as such.
 

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Webers.Home


Webers.Home

placed me on ignore. LOL. The truth hurts. LOL. then sent me a note to tell me LOl and lock the response. hahaha
 

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OP messaged me just to tell me he put me on ignore. Takes some ego to think people are really that concerned.

❄️
 

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Matt 12:40-41 . . For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly
of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in
the heart of the earth.

An abundance of textual evidence indicates Jesus' crucified dead body was
restored to life during the third day rather than later after the third day was
completely over and done with, viz: his actual time interred was less than 72
hours.

Matt 17:22-23
Matt 20:18-19
Mark 9:31
Luke 9:22
Luke 18:33
Luke 24:5-8
Luke 24:21-23
Luke 24:46
John 2:19
Acts 10:40
1Cor 15:4

FAQ: What about Matt 27:63 and Mark 8:31? They say "after" the third day
rather than during the third.

REPLY: To begin with, those verses are outnumbered 11÷2.

Plus; the Greek word translated "after" is somewhat ambiguous. It can
indicate moments following the conclusion of an event, but it can also
indicate moments within an event. I suggest letting the 11÷2 majority
decide how best to interpret the intent of Matt 27:63 and Mark 8:31.

FAQ: Luke 24:21-23 says the morning that women came to the cemetery
was the third day. How can that be true when according to John 20:1 the
sun wasn't up yet when they arrived?

REPLY: That's an excellent point because according to the first chapter of
Genesis, day is when the sun is up and night is when the sun is down.

However, liturgical days-- e.g. feasts and sabbaths --complicate things a bit
because they begin at sunset instead of sunrise; for example:

Matt 28:1 . . In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the
first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the
sepulcher.

According to Genesis time, it was not yet a new day when the women
arrived; whereas liturgically it was because the sabbath wrapped at sundown
the previous day.

FAQ: Can the hours of darkness during Jesus' crucifixion be counted as one
of the three nights?

REPLY: Jesus survived those hours. Matt 12:40 requires that he be dead and
buried.
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FAQ: Was it really necessary to restore Jesus' crucified dead body to life?

REPLY: Jesus' crucifixion made it possible for everyone to obtain a pardon
per Isa 53:6. However, his crucifixion alone doesn't clear them, viz: it leaves
the record of their wrongs intact.

For example; former US President Gerald Ford pardoned former US
President Richard Nixon, but although the pardon kept Mr. Nixon out of
prison, it did nothing to clear his name, viz: he's still in the books for
criminal conduct. So then; the thing that Mr. Nixon really needed was
exoneration which, though impossible in most any the world's criminal
justice systems, is very possible in Heaven's system via Jesus' resurrection.

Rom 4:25 . . He was delivered over to death for our sins, and was raised
to life for our justification.

The Greek word for "justification" is dikaiosis (dik-ah'-yo-sis) which means
acquittal; defined as an adjudication of innocence: usually due to a lack of
sufficient evidence to convict.

That's comparable to Isa 53:11 wherein is said:

"By his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many; and he will bear
their iniquities."

So, in the end, folks whose names have been cleared by Jesus' resurrection
will have nothing on the books with which to accuse them at the great white
throne event depicted by Rev 20:11-15, viz: it will appear they have never
been anything less than 100% innocent their entire lives.

2Cor 5:19 . . God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not
counting their trespasses against them.

The Greek word translated "counting" pertains to keeping an inventory, i.e.
an indictment. Well; without an indictment, prosecutors would be silly to
haul someone into court because most any judge would refuse to hear them.

Rom 8:34 . . Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus who died? More than
that: he who was raised to life, and is at the right hand of God, and is also
interceding for us?
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This year's celebration is humorous as it restores Jesus' corpse to life 22
days before he gets crucified

Sounds like a skit from the baloney brothers :rolleyes:
 

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FAQ: How was Jesus' human sacrifice not illegal seeing as Rom 1:3, Gal 4:4, and
Heb 7:14 attest that he was a Jew born under the jurisdiction of the covenant that
Moses' people agreed upon with God per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and
Deuteronomy? Wasn't he limited to the atonements specified in that covenant the
same as all other Jews?

Deut 4:2 . .You shall not add anything to what I command you or take anything
away from it, but keep the commandments of The Lord your God that I enjoin upon
you.

Deut 5:29-30 . . Be careful, then, to do as The Lord your God has commanded
you. Do not turn aside to the right or to the left: follow only the path that The Lord
your God has enjoined upon you.


REPLY: First off: note that the language and grammar of Isa 53:4-10 is past tense
rather than future: indicating that Christ's crucifixion was over and done with prior
to Isaiah's prophecy.


FAQ: How so?

REPLY: The laws of God are not retroactive. (Deut 5:2-4, Rom 4:15, Rom 5:13 &
Gal 3:17) Therefore, the cross didn't breach the covenant because Christ was
designated, and scheduled, to die for the sins of the world prior to both the world
and Moses' covenant. (1Pet 1:20 & Rev 13:8)


FAQ: Col 1:18 says God's son is the firstborn from among the dead. How is that
possible when so many others in the Bible underwent resurrections before he did?


REPLY: None of those other dead people are said restored to life with immortality
the way Jesus was. (Rom 6:9, 1Tim 6:14-15, and Rev 1:18)


NOTE: Acts 13:32-34 verifies that Ps 2:7 refers to Jesus' resurrection, to wit:

"You are my son, this day I have begotten you."

Well; I strongly suspect that a time is coming when God will make a similar
announcement to all who undergo resurrections whereby God endows them with
immortality per 1Cor 15:51-53.
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Jesus and his men ate their Passover dinner the night of his arrest.

Matt 26:17-20
Mark 14:12-17
Luke 22:7-15

The Jews ate theirs after he was dead and buried.

John 13:1-2
John 18:28-29
John 19:13-14
John 19:31)

FAQ: The law of the Passover per the 12th chapter of Exodus is very explicit
about the times and circumstances relative to Passover. How was it not
wrong for Jesus to dine early?

REPLY: The Jews were somehow unaware that their liturgical calendar was
tardy the year that Christ was crucified. He, being a prophet in direct contact
with God, would of course known the precise moment that Passover that
year was supposed to begin.

Ironically, the Jews were careful to avoid going after Jesus during Passover.

Matt 26:3-5 . .Then the chief priests and the elders of the people
assembled in the palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas, and
they plotted to arrest Jesus in some sly way and kill him. But not during the
feast-- they said --or there may be a riot among the people.

Due to their liturgical calendar's error, the Jews were a day late preparing
for dinner and thus inadvertently put Jesus to death during the very season
they wanted to avoid.

The Jews' mistake worked to Jesus' advantage. Had their calendar been
correct, then Jesus would've lost an opportunity to share one last sacred
event with his men; something he really wanted to do.

"Then, at the proper time, Jesus and the twelve apostles sat down together
at the table. Jesus said: I have looked forward to this hour with deep
longing, anxious to eat this Passover meal with you before my suffering
begins." (Luke 22:14-15)

NOTE: Jesus isn't done with Passover yet; he's already anticipating a future
event with his men again at dinner.

Luke 22:15-16 . . I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you
before I suffer. For I tell you: I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in
the kingdom of God.
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Gotta get a new Bible for Easter Sunday morning....

 

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This year's celebration is humorous as it restores Jesus' corpse to life 22
days before he gets crucified during Passover towards the end of April. Oh
well; it's the thought that counts rather than the date.


Anyway; we should probably start discussions of Easter now rather than
waiting till the last minute.
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Can I ask why you used the words "start discussions" when your not doing this. Who is this "Faq"? So this just your personal version you are sharing with us? Again your not discussing your telling us what His word really is saying

As for Christ raising from the dead. Yeah it really happened they celebrate this all over the world. Praise GOD glory to JESUS!
 

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1Cor 11:23-24 . . I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you,
that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and
when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said: This is my body which is
for you. Do this in remembrance of me.

The broken bread reminds the congregation-- and any visitors present --that
Christ's body was very nearly destroyed during his crucifixion.

The Romans whipped Jesus to within an inch of his life, slapped him around,
crowned him with thorns, and drove nails into his hands and his feet. But
that was child's play compared to what God did. By the time those hours of
darkness lifted; the Lord's own mother would have trouble recognizing him.

Isa 52:14 . . Many were appalled at him-- his appearance was so
disfigured beyond that of any man, and his form marred beyond human
likeness.

The Romans aren't to blame for doing that to Christ; no, they had their fun
and nailed him up there, but it was God who put on the finishing touches,
viz: his own Father is responsible for the extreme severity of Jesus' injuries.

"It was the Lord's will to crush him and cause him to suffer" (Isa 53:10)

The below is an impassioned plea heard from the cross.

Matt 27:46 . . My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Here it is again; this time with some parts that were omitted.

Ps 22:1 . . My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Why art thou so
far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?

The Hebrew word translated "roaring" basically means a rumbling or moan.

In other words: people standing around the cross that day during those
three hours of inky dark couldn't see anything, but they could sure hear:
and what they heard were the dreadful sounds of a man in extreme
discomfort as God laid into him for the sins of the whole world.

But let's not make the mistake of feeling sorry for Jesus as if he were the
victim of some awful misfortune . . no, he doesn't want our sympathy,
rather, he wants our approval because it was for that very scene that the
Word of John 1:1-3 entered mankind as the flesh of John 1:14.

John 12:27 . . Now my heart is troubled, and what shall I say? "Father,
save me from this hour" No; it was for this very reason I came to this hour.

It was God's will to crush him; and for a very good purpose. Relative to that
purpose I can honestly say: better Jesus on that cross than us in the lake of
brimstone depicted at Rev 20:11-15 where the lost will have to undergo
death akin to a foundry worker falling into a kettle of molten iron. I'd
imagine people will be in a white knuckle panic; shrieking, weeping, and
bellowing like wounded dogs as their eyes dart about looking for someone,
anyone, to help them. But the only person who can help them in any
meaningful way at all will be presiding. (John 5:22-23 & Acts 17:31)

The worst of it is: nobody is coming back from the second death because
according to Dan 12:2 and John 5:28-29 there's only one resurrection
allotted per person and the lost will be accommodated with it when they're
called up to face justice at the great white throne event.

* It's discouraging enough that the beautiful people have to lose their looks
the first time around-- to lose their looks a second, and final time, will be
devastating.
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Celebrating the Passover is important to me but do you realize that the churches observance of Passover is far different than the jewish schedule?? The churches timing is definity wrong as they make it appealing for the masses. Most Passovers are not on a Friday and always on a full moon. Why the jewish dating of Passover should be next month on April 23th.
 

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You really should think about how you speak of the Lord using such profane language. The Lord Jesus is NOT Common, nor should you speak of Him as such.
I think what she was trying to get across is the timing of Passover this month is impossible. The churches timing make the Feast corrupt. Read my previous post CS1
 

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There's a number of sabbaths in Scripture besides the routine week-end.
There are also sabbath years (Lev 25:1-7 & Ex 23:10-11) plus the first and
final days of Passover, a.k.a. the seven-day Feast Of Unleavened Bread (Ex
12:16, Lev 23:5-8), Yom Kippur (Lev 16:29-31) the Feast of Trumpets (Lev
23:23-25) and the first and eighth day of the seven-day Feast of
Tabernacles a.k.a. Booths. (Lev 23:34-36)

The word "sabbath" is sometimes construed to indicate a quantity equal to
seven and/or the numeral 7, but it really only means intermission, i.e. a
pause; for example in music when the performers encounter a rest symbol
on the page, it indicates a specified moment of silence.

Passover sabbath is interesting. The routine sabbath always falls on the very
same day of the week every time. But Passover sabbath floats relative to the
moon; hence it can, and it does, occur on any given day of the week;
sometimes even coincident with the routine sabbath; for example 2018 and
2019, and sometimes consecutive with the routine sabbath; for example
2008.

It's sometimes objected that whereas Yom Kippur and the Feast of Trumpets
are specifically called sabbaths (Lev 16:29-34, Lev 23:23-25) Passover
sabbath-- a.k.a. the first day of the feast of unleavened bread --isn't. It's set
aside for an holy convocation which just simply means a sacred assembly.
But it's also added that no manner of work shall be done on that day; which
is exactly what a sabbath is all about. (Gen 2:1-3) In reality, the objection is
just semantic nit picking.

Passover sabbath (John 19:31) easily escapes people's notice so they end up
counting only one of the sabbaths related to Christ's crucifixion and
resurrection. By failing to reckon with the Passover sabbath, they end up
stuck with the Good Friday model; which of course is unworkable because by
no stretch of the imagination can three nights be accounted for in that
weekend seeing as how the Jews' first day of the week falls on Sunday.
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Celebrating the Passover is important to me but do you realize that the churches observance of Passover is far different than the jewish schedule?? The churches timing is definity wrong as they make it appealing for the masses. Most Passovers are not on a Friday and always on a full moon. Why the jewish dating of Passover should be next month on April 23th.

Christians are not instructed in the New Testament to follow what the Jews followed under the old testament.