Predestination is misunderstood...

No, it does not. It says He works out everything in conformity with His will. Don't mess with Scripture.

The meaning of will IS desire. To say that he wills people saved does not mean he desires all mean saved, is to say "He wills people saved does not mean he wills all people saved." But that is the self-contradictory result of developing theology by applying inductive reasoning to the Bible as Calvin and Luther did.

the purpose of his will is to will.

his will, wills you to be changed.

Your will is dead until his will changes it.

So he wills you to be saved.

You don't will it for yourself

Will and desire are two different meanings

Jesus often asked, "Why did you doubt?" And if everyone prayed only one prayer (to the LORD), "Lord, help thou, my unbelief!" I believe we'd see a proverbial algae bloom of revival.

That's referring to saved people.

why do saved people pray for God's will to be done in earth as it is in heaven

Don't forget your earth to. Infact your dust

The sin that isn't forgiven is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Unbelief is a sin everyone has committed. If that isn't forgiven, no one would be saved.

People assign falsely to God and distort what is true of God. God is more than just love. You hear all the time that...my God would never send someone to hell. That this is inconsistent with a loving God. And yet, people in large numbers lift up their eyes in hell and He's still a loving God. People say it would be unfair of God not to give everyone an opportunity to get saved. But there have been people groups who never heard the gospel. Yet God remains just. He never claimed to be fair. It just shows how easily people can misrepresent God and assume things about Him that simply aren't true.

God gets just as much glory in the exercise of one attribute as another. He is equally glorified in the exercise of love as He is in the exercise of justice. This is a hard thing for many people to accept.

Because saved people delight to do His will. And God's will is always best.

Name one time God has willed something and it did not come to pass...Daniel 4:35.

We can purpose something for sure. But we cannot ensure it's completion.

which joy would that be.

The true heavenly joy experienced,.by his will and his word and his seed.

Or The others joy is the scoffers joy.


John 6:38-40

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38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”

The scripture you cited does not say what you immediately asserted the scripture cited says.

If I say Thundrr-mental works everything to his advantage, do I mean you are exhaustively controlling all things to your advantage? Or do I mean you take whatever situation arises, even those outside your control, and find ways to tun them to your advantage?

God works all things according to the counsel of His will does not have to mean that he exhaustively controls all things, whatsoever comes to pass. so that everything that comes to pass is part of the couswl/plan of His will. It can mean mean that he turns all things that happen, even the things he is not controlling or willing, into means that advance, or at least fail to derail, the projects that are His will.

I am going to respond to your assertion here and claim that it is nonsense. Look. I purposed something and made it happen. That disproves your assertion.

Okay… you understand the word as a verb. Now try to understand it as a noun.

Is. 5:1-7 God did all He could for Israel and Judah to produce justice, but they did not.

Luke 13:34 Jesus willed to gather Jerusalem like a hen gathers her chicks under her wings but they would not..

Question?
Did you just use your volition to write that response?

Do you choose when you decide to listen to thoughts that do not agree with God's Word?

You have volition. You just do not have God's attributes of omniscience and omnipotence to make every choice you make to end up perfect and as you wish it to be...

But? God has delegated us a domain for we humans to use our volition.
You keep keep confusing God's absolute volition to ours to negate us having volition....

But you "choose" to think that way. And, if you are not careful? Demons will use you because they study you, and understand your weaknesses and will exploit your ignorance of sound doctrine. Doctrine that you would have used to test the spirits and keep them in check.

You need to find a very good pastor teacher .. or die to the life Jesus died to give you.

grace and peace ................

God has granted each one of us our own domain to use our volition within.
Its according to his knowing what our limits and strengths are.
That is why He is fair in judging and evaluating man.

You missed my assumption. I didn't say we can't purpose and do. I said we can't ensure it will happen. All you did was misrepresent what I said; not prove it to be false.
Read James 4:13-15 for the understanding of what I actually said.

You mistake will with desire. If God were to will something and it did not come to pass, He is less than scripture claims He is. Read Daniel 4:35 again...He DOES His will. He doesn't simply purpose it, but brings it to fruition.