Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

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brightfame52

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They did not believe in the WORKS!

25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me
They didnt believe in Jesus because they were not His Sheep which He died for. If Christ didnt die for one, they wont be given faith to believe in Him, because He didnt die for them
 

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They didnt believe in Jesus because they were not His Sheep which He died for. If Christ didnt die for one, they wont be given faith to believe in Him, because He didnt die for them
Jesus said they did not believe the WORKS He did were from the Father.
That verse does not lie.
 

brightfame52

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You can't have faith until you first HEAR the Gospel
You cant hear the Gospel Spiritually without being born again, regenerated.

Jesus specifically said one must be of God to hear His words Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
 

FollowerofShiloh

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You cant hear the Gospel Spiritually without being born again, regenerated.

Jesus specifically said one must be of God to hear His words Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
You cannot do God's works until you have Faith to believe and that comes ONLY by hearing the Gospel.

Romans 10:17 - So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ
 

brightfame52

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Jesus said they did not believe the WORKS He did were from the Father.
That verse does not lie.
They didnt believe in Jesus because they were not Sheep He died for Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

Jesus works bear witness of Him
 

brightfame52

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You cannot do God's works until you have Faith to believe and that comes ONLY by hearing the Gospel.

Romans 10:17 - So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ
You cant hear the Gospel Spiritually without being born again, regenerated.

Jesus specifically said one must be of God to hear His words Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
 

FollowerofShiloh

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You cant hear the Gospel Spiritually without being born again, regenerated.

Jesus specifically said one must be of God to hear His words Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
You can't do anything you post until you first have Faith and that ONLY comes from HEARING the Gospel of Christ

Romans 10:17 - So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ
 

brightfame52

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You can't do anything you post until you first have Faith and that ONLY comes from HEARING the Gospel of Christ

Romans 10:17 - So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ
You cant hear the Gospel Spiritually without being born again, regenerated.

Jesus specifically said one must be of God to hear His words Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Vs 43

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
 

FollowerofShiloh

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You cant hear the Gospel Spiritually without being born again, regenerated.

Jesus specifically said one must be of God to hear His words Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Vs 43

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
You only get Faith by Hearing the Gospel.

Romans 10:17 - So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ

So you calling God a liar now?
 

jamessb

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Sadly, it's not a biblical analogy. Again...going by a non-Calvinistic understanding of foreknowledge, didn't God know in eternity who would show up in court? So, what is logical about the Son dying for all those who He and his Father knew in eternity would not show up?

You should stick with scripture to make your analogies. Since you brought up the New Covenant, your analogy should be based on its promises contained in Jer 31 and Ezek 36.
Funny, but there isn't a single word of Scripture in your post. Therefore it is invalid.
 

FollowerofShiloh

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You cannot be of God until you first fulfill Romans 10:17 - So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ
 

FollowerofShiloh

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I agree! You may hear it proclaimed, but it will have no effect without being born again, regenerated. (changed within)
Wow, are you calling God a Liar?

You cannot be of God until you first fulfill Romans 10:17 - So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ
 

FollowerofShiloh

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There's NO Scripture that makes your claim
So this is the only TRUTH we have in the Bible
You cannot be of God until you first fulfill Romans 10:17 - So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ
 

BillyBob

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Funny, but there isn't a single word of Scripture in your post. Therefore it is invalid.
That coming from someone who posted the following!

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Jamessb - Nikki Haley for President #107 “The only hope now is that Trump has a hearty attack or stroke or some other event that will prevent him from becoming president again.”
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Comments such as the ones above have no place on a Christian Forum!
 

brightfame52

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You only get Faith by Hearing the Gospel.

Romans 10:17 - So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ

So you calling God a liar now?
You cant hear the Gospel Spiritually without being born again, regenerated.

Jesus specifically said one must be of God to hear His words Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Vs 43

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
 

brightfame52

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I agree! You may hear it proclaimed, but it will have no effect without being born again, regenerated. (changed within)
Correct, except a negative effect. God uses the Gospel to be a savor of death unto death for the non elect, that perish 2 Cor 2:14-16
14 Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.

15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?

He designs for them to hear it, disobey it, reject it, so He can justly add to their condemnation
 

jamessb

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That coming from someone who posted the following!

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Jamessb - Nikki Haley for President #107 “The only hope now is that Trump has a hearty attack or stroke or some other event that will prevent him from becoming president again.”
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Comments such as the ones above have no place on a Christian Forum!
That was an entirely different non-Biblical thread. Why are you "comparing apples and oranges"? Just to be spiteful?
 

jamessb

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You cant hear the Gospel Spiritually without being born again, regenerated.

Jesus specifically said one must be of God to hear His words Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Vs 43

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
So nobody ever got saved by hearing the gospel? I guess that the apostles and those who followed, who proclaimed the message of salvation, were just wasting their time. :LOL:
 

brightfame52

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So nobody ever got saved by hearing the gospel? I guess that the apostles and those who followed, who proclaimed the message of salvation, were just wasting their time. :LOL:
You cant hear the Gospel Spiritually without being born again, regenerated.

Jesus specifically said one must be of God to hear His words Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Vs 43

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.