Christian Nationalist Movement in the United States

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Billyd

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jamessb said:
We are told specifically to love our neighbor as ourselves. It doesn't say some neighbors! After all, God loves the world, i.e., everyone.
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Do you believe that a person living in sin can enter heaven?
 
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Billyd said:
Do you believe that a person living in sin can enter heaven?
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No person who is living in sin and hasn't accepted Christ's sacrifice on her/his behalf. Everyone (and everyone has sinned) who accepts Christ's sacrifice as payment for their sins will go to heaven.
 
EszterBH

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HealthAndHappiness said:
I see that you are from Romania.
I have listened to news interviews from your country, so my exposure to your culture is very limited. From what I understand, your culture amongst the average rural person is much more traditional than that of American cities. It probably is similar to what it was like here over 15 years ago if I were to guess. Even then there were lesbian protestant pastors and many limp wristed catholic priests. Mel Gibson's dad, Hutton was publicly speaking against his RC church for decades. I considered him a man of high morality and I don't paint all Catholics with the same brush.
We spent some time talking when he lived nearby. I miss him and wish I had one more chance to sit down and talk with him. He admitted to the corruption in his denomination and he took opportunities to warn others about it. I have the utmost respect for him as a man who took his children out of America when he saw it change for the worse. After that, one of his boys starred in movies at their new Australian home. When it got even worse there, he returned to settle down in my humble state.
I'm not exaggerating, but it's understandable that you doubt it from your European perspective. Just the past few years it's gotten much worse in the cities. Since parents turn their children over to the government schools to raise while they work to pay for it outside the home, the family units have been destroyed. I have a documentary in English you might be interested in called, Babylon USA. I can't find the Romanian translation, but have English if you wish to see a copy.

Yes, church denominations are corrupt and I've decided to be independent from them, while dependent upon God. We had a great message on the priesthood of every believer this morning. The Bible is our only text book.

Many decide to reject the religious corruption and believe the Gospel (in Romanian).
I am grateful for that.

Blessings
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Yes, people in Romania are generally conservative and religious especially outside the cities, although very superstitious too (in the sense their faith is mixed with many pre-Christian cultural beliefs, even if they are not aware). And I get what you mean by the culture of American cities, honestly not even the biggest Romanian cities have that level of degradation.

Its statistically guaranteed there are church ministers with homosexual inclinations in this part of the world too, but they are all closeted. There are some known cases of ministers who were found commiting sexual abuse, but "queer ministers" in the sense of being openly LGBT are totally unexistent even in Protestant churches. And perverts have always existed anyway so its nothing new.

I live in ethnically Hungarian small town with a Calvinist majority and a Catholic minority. Im Calvinist and some of my friends are Catholics, we get along very well and our beliefs never cause fights, I even attended some Catholic services and never felt unwelcome there. I have worse experiences with other Protestants like Baptists or Pentecostals, many of them are very sectarian and act like everyone who is not in their church is a false Christian who deserves hell, an attitude I never found among Catholics in my area.

And it would be interesting that you posted the documentary here so all people can view easily. Thanks for that link too, will see it.
 
HeIsHere

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jamessb said:
No, I do understand. You are the one who lacks understanding.
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To say that Jesus never spoke about homosexuality is not true because He is the Word, He inspired/God Breathed the written word and the written word does speak about homosexuality... do you understand now?
 
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HeIsHere said:
To say that Jesus never spoke about homosexuality is not true because He is the Word, He inspired/God Breathed the written word and the written word does speak about homosexuality... do you understand now?
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Show me in the Bible where Jesus, in the flesh, said anything about homosexuality.

BTW, how is Jesus "the written word"? By your logic, everything that I am typing now is Jesus Christ!

He is a person, the Son of God, and the Savior of Humanity. And when He was on Earth as a man, he never, once, mentioned homosexuality. Is that clear enough for you?
 
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NightTwister said:
Clearly, you don't.
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Nice try. I am not the one who can't communicate clearly! You wrote "Your "understanding" isn't." That is poor English. And why have you inserted a comma in "Clearly, you don't"??? That also is poor English and vague.

You can stop pretending that it all depends on you.
 
NightTwister

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jamessb said:
Nice try. I am not the one who can't communicate clearly! You wrote "Your "understanding" isn't." That is poor English. And why have you inserted a comma in "Clearly, you don't"??? That also is poor English and vague.

You can stop pretending that it all depends on you.
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Actually, it's proper English. That you don't know that says much. Until you understand the basis of Scripture, which is that every word is that of Jesus, you'll never understand anything in it.
 
PennEd

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jamessb said:
Part II: what did Jesus personally say about homosexuals or homosexuality? The answer: NOTHING.
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Jesus didn't have to speak on every issue that was in the Law. Homosexuality was ALREADY known by all to be a sin against God, nature, and the person himself.

Jesus didn't SPECIFICALLY talk about a lot of sins.
Drunkenness and drugs are just two examples.

Surely you wouldn't suggest that because Jesus didn't say you couldn't shoot up heroin every day that it's ok to do?

Jesus says their is ONLY male and female and ONLY they, together, in a MARRIAGE relationship become one flesh.

Matthew 19:4-6

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4 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”
 
ZNP

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Billyd said:
Do you believe that a person living in sin can enter heaven?
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This illustrates what the apostasy is. This would have been a great opportunity to confess your sins and repent. The ten commandments are not politics. She lied, she committed adultery, you have false witness and covetousness. She does not have a testimony of Jesus Christ, she is not suffering all these investigations and prosecutions because of her testimony of Jesus but because of her wrongdoings. Her being invited to speak and then speaking at this "church" brings condemnation from the Lord not just on her but on that church.

1Peter 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. 16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
 
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