Predestination is misunderstood...

I would say bestowed in that possition is assigning as in putting something in place.

It really depends upon what tense bestowed is used in

Past tense or future tense. But also to bestow is also to give honor,

Is there any honor in giving honor to something unmerited, in this case you could extend your grace, but you would not give your grace in full.

Your characterization is a reflection of your character, not of mine. I only disagree where you are wrong.

Well I have lost count on how many times I have extended my grace to you.

Because this latest remark must be at least a dozen times you have brought my character into question.

People only do this consistently when they will not let things go, or need to insult somebody to make themselves feal better.

This kind of behavioural pattern, generally comes from people who have underlying scars in the past, it generally from people not being listened to, who have been given a tough ride in life.

But also it can come from people who's hearts are hardened.

But anyhow I'm open to discussion, so if you really want to share your heart and tell us the reason for underlying issues, feal free.

All tho somehow I don't think you can.

Right now, I don't think you merit a good answer from me...

I do not know what your problem is. But you go off on tangents that do not relate to what was said.

Well your not practicing what you preach then, as obviously a merited bad that speaks an unmerited comment like this, must have fallen off 😊

oops miss typo, a merited badge, silly me I forgot my observance.

Grace has brought me this far and grace will lead me home 😊

Your own behaviour calls your character into question. I am not the only person who has noticed this.

Now your viewing general opinion from other people whom i have extended my grace to many times.

Who also refuse to accept correction.

No doubt theese people who like to upcast like you do have also saved themselves.

Just like you choose support people who promote false doctrine, you also choose to join in with zombies who are out to spill blood.

I guess you also know what Grace means. 😊

You really should lay off the hallucinogenics.

You really should stop finding people to insult, after you've been drinking.

I can't see what else your unmerited change of character would be in this Christian chat site, other than someone possibly drinking alcohol, and probably the hard stuff, as often you get quite aggressive.

I have witnessed many times you find somebody new to insult, and twist every word they say.

Maybe you should lay of the substance abuse, and get real

Was there some secret point to your post?

And why aren't you answering my question that I have now asked you three times? Aren't you the one who boasted of being well taught in the fundamentals of the Faith? And didn't you also mock and ridicule those of us who have supported our arguments with numerous scriptures, as being "cherry-pickers"? So, now I have asked an extremely important fundamental question about the nature of grace, and you now pretend I never asked? And I asked this question without "cherry-picking" any scriptures. But that still isn't enough for you! For someone who prides himself as being so wise and and well-informed on the basics of the Christian Faith, your silence betrays your true state -- a state of ignorance!

your post is aimed once again at directly trying to provoke, and as ive already told you before, if you have grace this is no way to behave 😊

In other words, you realize that my question puts you into an unenviable Catch-22 situation, so you dare not answer. But do you really think that avoiding answering doesn't also betray the bankruptcy of your position? Everyone here sees through you and your empty, blustering boasts. The only thing I've been trying to "provoke" is an honest answer from you. But such an answer is not in your heart, is it? (Rhetorical question!)

Our wanna-be learned Thunderr, asked me if I knew what "bestow" means? He clearly implied with such a question that he does. But does he? The following is out of my M-W Collegiate:

Main Entry:be£stow
Pronunciation:bi-*st*
Function:transitive verb
Etymology:Middle English, from be- + stowe place— more at STOW
Date:14th century

1 : to put to use : APPLY *bestowed his spare time on study*
2 : to put in a particular or appropriate place : STOW
3 : to provide with quarters : PUT UP
4 : to convey as a gift — usually used with on or upon
synonyms see GIVE
–be£stow£al \-*st*-*l\ noun
(emphases mine)

No catch 22 predicaments is something that belongs to riddlers, I think you have me mistaken for satan.

I would imagine also grace never put the catch 22 idea in your head.

once again your trying to win approval.

Also I would imagine grace never put this idea into your head also 😊

Grace knows when to stop writing.
Grace delights to defer.
Grace is self deflating and other exalting.

Grace has been absent in this thread for some time.

To add-


Strongs #5148: AHLB#: 1307-H (V)

1307) Hn% (Hn% NHh) ac: Guide co: Rest ab: ?: The pictograph n is a picture of a seed representing continuance, the h is a picture of a wall that separates the inside from the outside. Combined these mean "continue outside". The shepherd would guide his flock to a place of water. Here is water for drinking as well as green grass for pasturing. Once the flock arrives, they are free to rest after the long journey. A guided journey to a place of rest. A sigh of rest. (eng: night - from the German nocht, as the time of rest)
A) Hn% (Hn% NHh) ac: ? co: Rest ab: ?
Nf2) Thn% (Thn% N-HhT) - Rest: [freq. 8] |kjv: rest, set, quietness, lighting| {str: 5183}
hf1) Ehnm% (Ehnm% MN-HhH) - Gift: What is brought to another. [Hebrew and Aramaic] [freq. 213] |kjv: offering, present, gift, oblation, sacrifice, meat| {str: 4503, 4504}
C) Hna% (Hna% ANHh) ac: Sigh co: ? ab: ?: A sigh of rest.
V) Hna% (Hna% A-NHh) - Sigh: To sigh or groan out of a desire for rest. [freq. 12] (vf: Niphal) |kjv: sigh, groan, mourn| {str: 584}
Nm) na% (Hna% A-NHh) - I: In the sense of sighing or breathing. [Aramaic only; The plural form of this word meaning, we, is anhnaor anhna] [df: ana hna] [freq. 20] |kjv: I, me, we| {str: 576, 586}
Nf1) Ehna% (Ehna% AN-HhH) - Groan: The expression of burden and the desire for rest. [freq. 11] |kjv: sighing, groaning, sigh, mourning| {str: 585}
fm) Ihna% (Ihna% AN-HhY) - I: In the sense of sighing or breathing. [The plural form of this word meaning, we, is fnhna, fnhn and fna] [df: ykna yna] [freq. 29] |kjv: I, me, we, ourselves, mine| {str: 580, 587, 589, 595, 5168}
F) Hne% (Hne% HNHh) ac: ? co: Rest ab: ?
Nf1) Ehne% (Ehne% HN-HhH) - Rest: [freq. 1] |kjv: release| {str: 2010}
H) Ehn% (Ehn% NHhH) ac: Guide co: ? ab: ?
V) Ehn% (Ehn% N-HhH) - Guide: [freq. 39] (vf: Paal, Hiphil) |kjv: lead, guide, bestow, govern, put, straiten| {str: 5148}
J) Hfn% (Hfn% NWHh) ac: Rest co: Rest ab: ?: A place of quiet and rest from burdens, work or enemy.
V) Hfn% (Hfn% NWHh) - Rest: [freq. 64] (vf: Paal) |kjv: rest, cease, confederate, down, lay, quiet, remain| {str: 5117}
Nm) Hfn% (Hfn% NWHh) - Rest: [freq. 4] |kjv: rest| {str: 5118}
am) Hfnm% (Hfnm% M-NWHh) - Rest: [freq. 7] |kjv: rest| {str: 4494}
kf1) Ehfnm% (Ehfnm% M-NW-HhH) - Rest: [freq. 21] |kjv: rest, comfortable, ease, quiet, still| {str: 4496}
L) Hni% (Hni% YNHh) ac: Sit co: Rest ab: ?
V) Hni% (Hni% Y-NHh) - Sit: [freq. 75] (vf: Paal, Hiphil, Hophal) |kjv: leave, up, lay, suffer, place, put, set, down, alone, bestow, pacify, still, withdraw, withhold| {str: 3240}

Adopted Roots;
A2392 Mhn Comfort
AHLB


Hebrew Word: naha
Strong's Reference: H5148
Definition: lead, guide, (ASV and RSV similar with the latter superior at 1Sa_22:4; 1Ki_10:26) both of which evidence a confusion of naha and nuah; cf ASV 2Ki_18:11 , and inferior at Psa_67:4 [H5].

Our root represents the conducting of one along the right path. For synonyms see ndhag. Our root occurs thirty -nine times.

The root is sometimes synonymous with nahag "to herd" to a predetermined destination; e.g. lead away captive (Job_12:23), herd/lead a flock (Psa_78:53, Psa_78:72). Elsewhere it is equal to nasal "to lead/guide tenderly;" e.g. Psa_31:3 [H4], to lead (naha), and tenderly lead/guide (ncihal) out of trouble (cf. Job_31:18).

God is often the one who "leads." So, Abraham's servant reported God as his "guider" (Gen_24:27). In the Exodus this guidance was manifested by the pillars of cloud and fire which preceeded (led) Israel (Exo_13:21). The Psalms frequently recall how God led his people along the right path and beseech him to do so again. This request is for far more than guidance. It is that God be before them showing the way of righteousness (Psa_5:8 [H9]; Psa_23:3). Moreover, the pious are to be led by God's commandments (Pro_6:22) in conjunction with the integrity of his heart (Pro_11:3). The nations are obligated to worship God because he will judge and govern (i.e. graciously guide, Psa_67:4 [H5]; cf. Psa_31:3 [H4]) in the messianic kingdom. L.J.C.

Hebrew Word: nimum
Strong's Reference: None
Definition: See no. 1344b.

Hebrew Word: nashush
Strong's Reference: None
Definition: See no. 1349 b.

Hebrew Word: nahir
Strong's Reference: None
Definition: See no. 1346c.

1Ki 10:26 and gatheredH622 H8799 Conj-w+V-Qal-ConsecImperf-3ms way·ye·’ĕ·sōp̄ וַיֶּאֱסֹ֣ף SolomonH8010 N-proper-ms šə·lō·mōh שְׁלֹמֹה֮ chariotsH7393 N-ms re·ḵeḇ רֶ֣כֶב and horsemen;H6571 Conj-w+N-mp ū·p̄ā·rā·šîm וּפָרָשִׁים֒ and hadH1961 Conj-w+V-Qal-ConsecImperf-3ms way·hî- וַיְהִי־ heH0 Prep+3ms lōw ל֗וֹ N1 a thousandH505 Number-ms ’e·lep̄ אֶ֤לֶף and fourH702 Conj-w+Number-fs wə·’ar·ba‘- וְאַרְבַּע־ hundredH3967 Number-fp mê·’ō·wṯ מֵאוֹת֙ chariots,H7393 N-ms re·ḵeḇ רֶ֔כֶב and twoH8147 Conj-w+Number-md ū·šə·nêm- וּשְׁנֵים־ [and] tenH6240 Number-ms ‘ā·śār עָשָׂ֥ר thousandH505 Number-ms ’e·lep̄ אֶ֖לֶף horsemen,H6571 N-mp pā·rā·šîm פָּֽרָשִׁ֑ים N2 and whom he stationedH5148 H8686 Conj-w+V-Hifil-ConsecImperf-3ms+3mp way·yan·ḥêm וַיַּנְחֵם֙ in citiesH5892 Prep-b+N-fpc bə·‘ā·rê בְּעָרֵ֣י the chariot,H7393 Art+N-ms hā·re·ḵeḇ הָרֶ֔כֶב and withH5973 Conj-w+Prep wə·‘im- וְעִם־ the kingH4428 Art+N-ms ham·me·leḵ הַמֶּ֖לֶךְ in Jerusalem.H3389 Prep-b+N-proper-fs bî·rū·šā·lim בִּירוּשָׁלִָֽם׃

1Ki 10:26 And Sh'lomo gathered together merkavot and parashim; and he had a thousand and four hundred merkavot, and twelve thousand parashim, whom he kept in his chariot cities and with HaMelech in Yerushalayim.


(26) Gathered together chariots.—See above, 1Ki_4:26. This gathering of chariots—the sign of military conquest and extended empire—is evidently noticed here in connection with the growth of commerce and wealth, as one of the powers which held Solomon’s kingdom together. Josephus (Ant. viii. 7, 4), in mentioning them, gives a vivid description of the use of these chariots and horsemen for progresses of royal magnificence and pleasure. But their chief use was. no doubt, military. The “chariot cities” would be the fortified posts, in the various parts of Solomon’s own dominions and in the tributary countries.

J.

To be saved by Grace must clearly be understood as one must have grace also 😊

Through scripture I showed where being bestowed, also means to put something in place, through the scripture of of kings, i showed

Well when grace is bestowed, it should be a person has grace. But all I'm seeing is people defiling people's character on order to win an argument.

I don't see how grace has been bestowed, with people behaving this way.

As through scripture I have shown grace means good will,

But where is the good will in constantly trying to provoke.
Surely if your saved by good will, then you should have it.