Water Baptism-What is in a Name?

The promise is God will call people to be baptised, why is that friend

those who are saved should follow Christ into Baptism as Obedience. No one said don't be baptized. What the word of God says is we are saved by what Jesus did on the Cross and faith in the work of the cross. Death, Burial, and Resurrection. the Gospel is preached, the Holy Spirit convicts one is able to be saved, then they get baptized as a public statement they are following Christ.

I have no problem accepting correction from scripture. In fact it is the only defense against deception. Clearly you just don't see the point I was making about that scripture.

The promise is the children who are under no covenant will be called to be baptised to receive the gift of the Holy spirit and forgiveness of sins , then they are under the covenant


Why would you suggest it's something else I'm totally puzzled by everyone here.

How can scripture as clear as this mean something else.

The promise



Acts 2:37-39

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37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”


This is a promise friend, That people will be called to be baptised by God for forgiveness of sin and to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

I am happy to hear that; however, it was not I who said :

"Note Jesus DID NOT say the Comforter would dwell with AND in them in the future. That's the point. "


And on that point, it is not what the Bible shows. Jesus said and was speaking of a Future event Because:

1. Jesus had not yet ascended
2. The day of Pentacost had not come
3. Jesus told the Disciples to go and wait FYI, that is a future waiting event
4. They waited 10 days after Jesus Left that is a future day.

I don't think you see the Biblical. Text in context. Of this topic.

I accept the scripture.

"Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him;
for he dwelleth with you, (this means dwelling with you NOW)
AND
shall be in you." (this means will be IN you in the FUTURE) John 14:17

Did nothing happen on the day of Pentecost, as recorded in Acts? And you do realize that John 14 must be seen with all other gospels that spoke of the samething?

Luke 24 and all the other Biblical texts that were provided.

This was the reality Jesus spoke of John 14:17. The Holy Ghost that once dwelled with people came to dwell IN them.


"And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:4

"Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear." Acts 2:33

"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." Acts 2:38

John 20:22
Then he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.

No,

We see in scripture where it says in the Old Testament the Spirit of God came upon and also departed.

Saul:
1sam 16:14

"But the Spirit of the LORD (Holy Spirit) departed from Saul, and a distressing spirit from the LORD troubled him."

Samson:

Judges 16:20

And she said, “The Philistines are upon you, Samson!” So he awoke from his sleep, and said, “I will go out as before, at other times, and shake myself free!” But he did not know that the Lord had departed from him.

Samson:

Judges 14:6

And the Spirit of the LORD came mightily upon him, and he tore the lion apart as one would have torn apart a young goat, though he had nothing in his hand. But he did not tell his father or his mother what he had done.

amen

Ezekiel prophesied concerning what first occurred on the Day of Pentecost, and is possible for all those living in the NT:

"Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them." Ezek 36:25-27

"And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance." Acts 2:4

"Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear." Acts 2:33


"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, (water) and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost...
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls." Acts 2:38, 41

Do you know that in the Old Testament, only Prophets, Kings, Judges, and Priest had the Holy Spirit come upon them or Poured out on them?

it was Joel who said in the Latter days, God would pour out His Spirit on all flesh men and women, meaning, Come upon as HE did His kings, Prophets, and rulers.

And I will remind you.

Peter, on the day of Pentacost, did not quote Ezekiel BUT Joel. As we read in Acts chapter 2:16

I did not know that. Just exploring now:

1. Isaiah 63:10
   But they turned against him. They made his Holy Spirit angry. So he then became their enemy. He fought against them.
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2. Isaiah 63:11
   Then they remembered past years, when Moses led their ancestors out of Egypt. They said, ‘Where is the Lord now, when we need him? He brought his people safely through the sea, with Moses as their leader. He caused his Holy Spirit to work among them.
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3. Daniel 4:8
   Last of all, Daniel came to me and I told him the dream. I call him Belteshazzar, like my god's name. The spirit of the holy gods is in this man, Daniel.
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4. Daniel 4:9
   I said to him, ‘Belteshazzar you are the leader of my wise men. I know that the spirit of the holy gods is in you. I know that no secret is too difficult for you to explain. Here is the dream that I saw. Tell me what it means.
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5. Daniel 4:18
   Then I said to Belteshazzar, ‘This is the dream that I, King Nebuchadnezzar, had. Now, you must tell me what it means. None of the wise men in any region of my kingdom can tell me what it means. But you can tell me, because the spirit of the holy gods is in you.’
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6. Daniel 5:11
   There is a man in your kingdom who has the spirit of the holy gods in him. When your father was alive, this man showed that he was very wise, like the gods. He could understand secret things. Your father, Nebuchadnezzar, made him the leader of all the magicians, wise men, enchanters and diviners.
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Again, the NT rebirth was not available to those in the OT.

No need to remind me, I know Ezekiel was not quoted by Peter. I referenced that scripture and the others as they pertain to the indwelling.

"What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?" (1 Cor. 6:19)

I am unaware of scripture that specifically states Daniel had the actual Holy Spirit of God dwelling in him. We have to be cautious about accepting as truth statements made by those who do not know God. The Daniel scriptures contain statements made by King Nebuchadnezzar. He thought Daniel had the spirit of the holy godS in him.

I believe there is many valid points here 😊.

There has to be something they where saved by in the old t, as They would not have been saved when Jesus raised the dead who where sleeping. after the cross, remember the tomb stones broke open and the saints who where sleeping where raised to life.

Theses are the ot saints, but also Christians are known as saints.

They must have been given first fruits in the old t. When they where moved by the spirit or had the spirit come upon.

The spirit must have left some sort of seed, as how else could they be forgiven when they repented.

I believe in old t, what kept them saved was a mercy seed, not a full indwelling of the holy spirit, but a partial indwelling of the spirit, a seed that could enable them to rule over sin by being kind. A seed that would enable them to forgive also.

I can't think of anything that could make everything fit into place other than this.

It's quite clear that something needs to fit, it can't be they never had any seed of the spirit, because Samuel the prophet said to saul the spirit will come upon you and change you.

Even Pagans can recognize truth.

Colossians 1:27

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27 God decided to let his people know just how rich and glorious that truth is. That secret truth, which is for all people, is that Christ lives in you, his people. He is our hope for glory.

Ezekiel 36:26
I will also put a new spirit in you to change your way of thinking. I will take out the heart of stone from your body and give you a tender, human heart.

Ezekiel 37:14
I will put my Spirit in you, and you will come to life again.


Psalm 51

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To the director: A song of David written when Nathan the prophet came to him after David’s sin with Bathsheba.
51 God, be merciful to me
because of your faithful love.
Because of your great compassion,
erase all the wrongs I have done.
2 Scrub away my guilt.
Wash me clean from my sin.
3 I know I have done wrong.
I remember that sin all the time.
4 I did what you said is wrong.
You are the one I have sinned against.
I say this so that people will know
that I am wrong and you are right.
What you decided is fair.
5 I was born to do wrong,
a sinner before I left my mother’s womb.
6 You want me to be completely loyal,
so put true wisdom deep inside of me.
7 Remove my sin and make me pure.[a]
Wash me until I am whiter than snow!
8 Let me hear sounds of joy and happiness again.
Let the bones you crushed be happy again.
9 Don’t look at my sins.
Erase them all.
10 God, create a pure heart in me,
and make my spirit strong again.
11 Don’t push me away
or take your Holy Spirit from me.
12 Your help made me so happy.
Give me that joy again.
Make my spirit strong and ready to obey you.
13 I will teach the guilty how you want them to live,
and the sinners will come back to you.
14 God, spare me from the punishment of death.
My God, you are the one who saves me!
Let me sing about all the good things you do for me!
15 My Lord, I will open my mouth and sing your praises!
16 You don’t really want sacrifices,
or I would give them to you.
17 The sacrifice that God wants is a humble spirit.
God, you will not turn away someone who comes with a humble heart and is willing to obey you.[c]
18 God, please be good to Zion.
Rebuild the walls of Jerusalem.
19 Then you can enjoy the kind of sacrifices you want.[d]
You will receive whole burnt offerings,
and people will again offer bulls on your altar.
Footnotes

Hebrews 11

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Faith
11 Faith is what makes real the things we hope for. It is proof of what we cannot see. 2 God was pleased with the people who lived a long time ago because they had faith like this.
3 Faith helps us understand that God created the whole world by his command. This means that the things we see were made by something that cannot be seen.
4 Cain and Abel both offered sacrifices to God. But Abel offered a better sacrifice to God because he had faith. God said he was pleased with what Abel offered. And so God called him a good man because he had faith. Abel died, but through his faith he is still speaking.
5 Enoch was carried away from this earth, so he never died. The Scriptures tell us that before he was carried off, he was a man who pleased God. Later, no one knew where he was, because God had taken Enoch to be with him. This all happened because he had faith. 6 Without faith no one can please God. Whoever comes to God must believe that he is real and that he rewards those who sincerely try to find him.
7 Noah was warned by God about things that he could not yet see. But he had faith and respect for God, so he built a large boat to save his family. With his faith, Noah showed that the world was wrong. And he became one of those who are made right with God through faith.
8 God called Abraham to travel to another place that he promised to give him. Abraham did not know where that other place was. But he obeyed God and started traveling because he had faith. 9 Abraham lived in the country that God promised to give him. He lived there like a visitor who did not belong. He did this because he had faith. He lived in tents with Isaac and Jacob, who also received the same promise from God. 10 Abraham was waiting for the city[a] that has real foundations. He was waiting for the city that is planned and built by God.
11 Sarah was not able to have children, and Abraham was too old. But he had faith in God, trusting him to do what he promised. And so God made them able to have children. 12 Abraham was so old he was almost dead. But from that one man came as many descendants as there are stars in the sky. So many people came from him that they are like grains of sand on the seashore.
13 All these great people continued living with faith until they died. They did not get the things God promised his people. But they were happy just to see those promises coming far in the future. They accepted the fact that they were like visitors and strangers here on earth. 14 When people accept something like that, they show they are waiting for a country that will be their own. 15 If they were thinking about the country they had left, they could have gone back. 16 But they were waiting for a better country—a heavenly country. So God is not ashamed to be called their God. And he has prepared a city for them.
17-18 God tested Abraham’s faith. God told him to offer Isaac as a sacrifice. Abraham obeyed because he had faith. He already had the promises from God. And God had already said to him, “It is through Isaac that your descendants will come.” But Abraham was ready to offer his only son. He did this because he had faith. 19 He believed that God could raise people from death. And really, when God stopped Abraham from killing Isaac, it was as if he got him back from death.
20 Isaac blessed the future of Jacob and Esau. He did that because he had faith. 21 And Jacob, also because he had faith, blessed each one of Joseph’s sons. He did this while he was dying, leaning on his rod and worshiping God.
22 And when Joseph was almost dead, he spoke about the people of Israel leaving Egypt. And he told them what they should do with his body. He did this because he had faith.
23 And the mother and father of Moses hid him for three months after he was born. They did this because they had faith. They saw that Moses was a beautiful baby. And they were not afraid to disobey the king’s order.
24-25 Moses grew up and became a man. He refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter. He chose not to enjoy the pleasures of sin that last such a short time. Instead, he chose to suffer with God’s people. He did this because he had faith. 26 He thought it was better to suffer for the Messiah than to have all the treasures of Egypt. He was waiting for the reward that God would give him.
27 Moses left Egypt because he had faith. He was not afraid of the king’s anger. He continued strong as if he could see the God no one can see. 28 Moses prepared the Passover and spread the blood on the doorways of the people of Israel, so that the angel of death[c] would not kill their firstborn sons. Moses did this because he had faith.
29 And God’s people all walked through the Red Sea as if it were dry land. They were able to do this because they had faith. But when the Egyptians tried to follow them, they were drowned.
30 And the walls of Jericho fell because of the faith of God’s people. They marched around the walls for seven days, and then the walls fell.
31 And Rahab, the prostitute, welcomed the Israelite spies like friends. And because of her faith, she was not killed with the ones who refused to obey.
32 Do I need to give you more examples? I don’t have enough time to tell you about Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, David, Samuel, and the prophets. 33 All of them had great faith. And with that faith they defeated kingdoms. They did what was right, and God helped them in the ways he promised. With their faith some people closed the mouths of lions. 34 And some were able to stop blazing fires. Others escaped from being killed with swords. Some who were weak were made strong. They became powerful in battle and defeated other armies. 35 There were women who lost loved ones but got them back when they were raised from death. Others were tortured but refused to accept their freedom. They did this so that they could be raised from death to a better life. 36 Some were laughed at and beaten. Others were tied up and put in prison. 37 They were killed with stones. They were cut in half. They were killed with swords. The only clothes some of them had were sheepskins or goatskins. They were poor, persecuted, and treated badly by others. 38 The world was not good enough for these great people. They had to wander in deserts and mountains, living in caves and holes in the ground.
39 God was pleased with all of them because of their faith. But not one of them received God’s great promise. 40 God planned something better for us. He wanted to make us perfect. Of course, he wanted those great people to be made perfect too, but not before we could all enjoy that blessing together.