Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

I'm somewhere in the middle re Calvin and Jacobus Arminius- Whether regeneration precedes faith-or the other way 'round-
Shalom to you.
J.

Hebrews 9:26b, "But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself."
Hebrews 10:10, "And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."
Hebrews 10:12, "But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God,"

You need to read your Bible more carefully!

To begin with, the Bible teaches election. These were chosen before the foundation of the world by God because in His foreknowledge of them, He knew He could count on them to carry out His plan and accomplish specific tasks. In other words, they were obedient. Consider the prophets and apostles. For example, the Bible tells us that God knew Jeremiah:

Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. - Jeremiah 1:5 (KJV)

But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: - Acts 9:15 (KJV)
. . . . .
So why did Jesus come? He came and died for all who would believe in Him—the Elect and the nonElect.
why? ….because Jesus is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance and be saved.

This is why Jesus came—so that everyone would have the opportunity to choose Him and be saved.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. - 2 Peter 3:9 (KJV)

Its not in the bible

We’ll just trust what God says instead of what man says.

@selahsays

False statements

It is in the Bible. You need to read more carefully!

According to you, but not according to the Bible.

Okay, whom did Jesus not die for? Why was His sacrifice for sin only partially effective?

Prove it with scripture, please.

What I know is that YHVH works in mysterious ways and can't "fit" in my 3 pound brain-as if I have HIM all figured out.

No its not, its your imagination friend

Christ didn't die for anyone who is lost forever

You havent proved it with scripture, thats why i say its false duh

Jesus got up on that Cross and shed His precious blood for any and all who would believe in Him. Did God know that not "all" would? Yes. However, that does not change the fact that the precious blood of Jesus, which cleanses us of our sin, and makes us worthy to be called the children of God, was available to "all" who believed in Him.

1 Timothy, Chapter 2:

4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

6Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Powerful brother-and Scriptures to back it up.
Would it help you if I enlarge the font size for you?
J.

Only those whom Jesus "got up on the Cross and shed His precious blood for" will believe.

The death and resurrection of Messiah-shedding His blood-was efficacious for PANTAS-ALL-but we know that not pantas WILL come to Christ.


all men. or, all conceivable men. **FS171B, +Gen_24:10, All conceivable translates the force of panta without the article [see Herbert Weir Smyth, Greek Grammar, § 1174 c].

This passage makes it abundantly clear that God wills the salvation of every person. The term thelō is used, showing the emotional nature of God’s desire or will to save, even unto the giving of His Son (Joh_3:16; Joh_12:32, 2Co_5:14, Eph_2:14, 1Jn_2:2); so not a mere desire.

Further, Tit_3:4 declares God is a lover of mankind; again showing an emotional aspect of God’s nature toward mankind. God, as to His very nature, loves mankind as a whole. Thus the whole cannot be divided into elect and unelect, saved and damned (LNT, note b). 1Ti_2:1; 1Ti_2:6, **1Ti_4:10, Pro_8:4, Eze_18:23; Eze_18:32, Mat_26:28 note. Joh_1:7; +Joh_3:17; +Joh_4:42, +*Rom_5:18; Rom_11:32, **2Co_5:14, *Tit_2:11, +Heb_2:9, **2Pe_3:9.
to be saved. 1Ti_1:15, Zec_10:8, *Joh_3:17; Joh_5:34.
and to come. +*Mat_28:19, *Mar_16:15, *Luk_24:47, **Rom_10:12-15, 2Th_2:10, 2Ti_3:7, *Rev_14:6.

Who - seeing He is willing that all should be saved (1Ti_2:4; Rom_5:18): we should meet the will of God in behalf of others, by praying for the salvation of all. More would be converted if we prayed more. Our Saviour actually saved us who believe. 'He is willing that all should be saved by believing, even those who do not yet believe (cf. 1Ti_4:10; Tit_2:11). Why multitudes are lost is, they will not come to Him for life (Joh_5:40) [ ou (G3756) thelete (G2309) elthein (G2064), 'ye are not willing to come']. Paul does not say, 'He wishes to save all,' for then He would have saved all in fact; but "will have all men to saved" implies the possibility of man's accepting (through God's prevenient grace) or rejecting it (through man's own perversity). Our prayers ought to include all, as God's grace included all.

See how JFB subtly change what 1 Tim is saying?

1) "Who will have all men to be saved" (hos pantas anthropous thelei sothenai) "Who has an high holy will that all men be saved." If our Lord willed all men to be saved, should not His children will the same? And if so, pray for it? Luk_10:2; Joh_4:35; Rom_9:1-3; Rom_10:1-4; Eze_33:11; Luk_3:34; 2Ti_1:9.

1Ti_2:4

who desires all people -- God's will that we pray for all men, for God desires all people to be saved. cf. 2Pe_3:9.

Key of verse = all men, cf. vs 1, not for just an "elect" nation of Israel.

come knowledge of the truth -- Refers to hearing, understanding, believing, and committing one's self to following (obeying) the gospel message. It covers all aspects of conversion Rom_10:17; Heb_11:6; Luk_24:47; Heb_5:9;

Four arguments for universal prayer to the One True God -- 1Ti_2:5-6
1) One God for all men
2) One mediator for all
3) Availability of ransom for all
4) Paul's commission to the Gentiles - cf 1Ti_2:7


THE SYNONYMOUS WORDS
FOR
"WILL" AND "WISH".



The difference between these two words is important; and, in the occurrences of each, this Appendix is referred to.
1. thelo means to wish or desire , and is the emotional element which leads to the consequent action. It is therefore stronger than boulomai , because the natural impulse is stronger than the reasoned resolve.
2. The Noun thelema must also be noted, with the same distinction from boulema , as denoting the desire rather than the resolve.
3. boulomai , though it sometimes means more, yet has reference to the result of thelo ; viz. the deliberate determination, whether in accordance with, or contrary to, the original wish or impulse.
4. In like manner the Noun boulema is to be distinguished from thelema (No. 2) as denoting resolve, counsel, or determination, rather than the wish or desire. Boulema occurs only twice, Act_27:43. Rom_9:19. The Noun, boule with a similar meaning, occurs twelve times.
For illustrations of the differences see Mat_1:19. Mar_15:9; Mar_15:12; Mar_15:15. Rom_7:15, &c.


1Ti 2:4 ὃς hos|G3739|RelPro-NMS|who πάντας pantas|G3956|Adj-AMP|all ἀνθρώπους anthrōpous|G444|N-AMP|men θέλει thelei|G2309|V-PIA-3S|desires σωθῆναι sōthēnai|G4982|V-ANP|to be saved, καὶ kai|G2532|Conj|and εἰς eis|G1519|Prep|to ἐπίγνωσιν epignōsin|G1922|N-AFS|[the] knowledge ἀληθείας alētheias|G225|N-GFS|of [the] truth ἐλθεῖν. elthein|G2064|V-ANA|to come.

So-let's sum it up-

Eze 18:23 Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, declares the Lord GOD, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live?

Eze 18:32 For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Lord GOD; so turn, and live.”




[87] Mosheim (Instit. Hist. Eccles. maj. I. 36): Id sanctus homo tradit: nisi pax in orbe terrarum vigeat, fieri nullo modo posse, ut voluntati divinae, quae omnium hominum salutem cupit, satisfiat; bellis nimirum flagrantibus haud licuisset legatis Jesu Christi, secure ad omnes populos proficisei.

[88] In this verse the idea of the universality of God’s purpose of salvation is clearly and distinctly expressed.

Calvin, in order to save his theory of predestination, has to take refuge in an exposition more than ingenious: de hominum generibus, non singulis personis, sermo est; nihil enim aliud intendit, quam principes et extraneos, populos in hoc numero includere.

J.

I have no intention of going through each and every verse you posted because I have neither time, energy nor desire to do so.
I will just leave you with the below which demonstrates beyond question that the natural unsaved man cannot know things spiritual in order to truly believe unless and until first becoming saved.

[1Co 2:12-14 KJV]
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

[Luk 1:77 KJV]
77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

[2Co 4:3-4 KJV]
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

My guess is then, based on what you just typed-"I have no intention of going through--" you won't be able to debate.
Shalom
J.

Oh, I can, and have in the past, and from that have learned the futility of debating those who believe as you do - where it turns into multi-day, never-ending debate. So, besides posting verses that clearly refute what you've said, I choose not to expend further time, effort, and frustration. Those verses should be clear and sufficient enough of themselves to comprehend the Bible on the subject, so nothing beyond them should be required in order to gain understanding.