Predestination is misunderstood...

And the will of God is to believe be baptised and be saved.

The will that Jesus came to bring was a sword not peace, peace will not come in full until the world is ripe.

His sword ( is the coss and every word behind it). It Has to be fulfilled in the believer for there to be fulfillment in the believer.

So his last visit was not to bring peace but a sword.

But you should be glad he did not come to bring peace because if he Did, that would mean you would have been Judged already.

It's more important he came to bring a sword to save you.

That's his current covenant, untill he returns.

So if you don't live by his sword you will die by it.

For he who tries to save his life will lose it.

But he who loses his life because of his name sake will find it.

no sorry that was preached to people going back to animal sacrifice.

The word impossible here is implied as this is impossible to get theese people to stop doing animal sacrifice.

Coming from the mouths of the saved Hebrew, speaking toward the Jews.

Quickening is the work of the Spirit. There is no spiritual life apart from His work. But the total man is affected. When they heard this...the mind, they were pricked in the heart...the heart, and said...what shall we do?...the will. Every aspect of the individual was awakened to the reality of their utter sinfulness, their need for redemption, and their need to respond.
So you are exactly right. They believed and responded in faith. But all this was not of themselves...it was the gift of God.

let's see-

Confidence in this interpretation stems from the clear connection between the cross and justification in passages such as Romans 3:21–26, 2 Corinthians 5:21, and Galatians 3:13–14. Additionally, the concept of justification is closely tied to the atonement achieved through Christ's death (Romans 5:9, 8:1).


Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it—
Rom 3:22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:
Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Rom 3:24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
Rom 3:25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins.
Rom 3:26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

2Co 5:21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

4) "The righteousness of God in Him," (dikaiosune theou en auto) "(The) righteousness of God in him," the Christ. Jer_23:5-6; Rom_1:16-17; Rom_5:19; 1Co_1:30; Php_3:19.


The concept of justification is a central theme in Christian theology, and it refers to the act of God declaring a sinner to be righteous because of their faith in Christ

The Greek word for justification is "dikaiosis," which means "to be made right" or "to be declared righteous"

Justification is a legal term that denotes a change in status, from guilty to not guilty, and is based on the shed blood of Christ

It is a necessary step towards righteousness, but it does not instantly make one perfectly righteous

Rather, it is the empowerment of God's Spirit that enables believers to continue in righteousness


The process of justification begins with faith in Christ, and it is a free and gracious gift of God bestowed on those who receive by faith the sacrifice of Jesus Christ

Justification is made possible by the sacrificial death of Christ, and it is based on the shed blood of Christ

Let's brain storm this-for a moment-Justification beginning at the Cross of our dear Lord and great God Jesus Christ? prior?


The Greek word for "justification" is "δικαίωσις (dikaiosis)"

This term means "to be made right" or "to be declared righteous"

Justification involves being made right and deemed righteous because sins have been forgiven and blotted out

The root idea in justification is the declaration of God, the righteous judge, that a person who believes in Christ, sinful though they may be, is viewed as being righteous because in Christ they have come into a righteous relationship with God

In the Greek text, the verb for "justified" is "δικαιόω (dikaioo)"

This verb means "to make righteous, defend the cause of, plead for the righteousness (innocence) of, acquit, justify; hence: to regard as righteous"

It involves making a person righteous or declaring them as righteous


The theological implications of justification are profound. Justification is an act of God whereby He pronounces a sinner to be righteous because of that sinner’s faith in Christ

It is an act of God's grace through which He declares believers righteous based on their faith in Jesus Christ and His sacrificial death

Justification demonstrates the righteousness of God and is made possible by the sacrificial death of Christ, which is based on His shed blood-at the Cross-correct?

Maybe we can bring out our exegetical tools?

Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Rom 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
Rom 11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
Rom 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

Nothing in hell is fatal.

No...Governments to trying to steer us into their way of eating...I am from the UK , and we had all that nonsense years ago , putting fear into us , hence why now they are pushing even for people to eat pretend meat...My blood work has never been as good as it is since going very low carb and high fat...Been type 2 for 10 yrs , and tried everything...I am off all meds now , and I am 62 nearly 63 , and feel so good...I believe God has led me to this way of eating as I was so sick and tired and I cried and cried out to Him...The proof is in my blood work , and my diabetes is in remission...All the glory to God Amen...

Awesome testimony! Praise God! I have followed your advice and took a whole egg-yolk and white, put it in my coffee and drank it-I still gym and building my home gym equipment.
So how many eggs should I take at my age?
J.

But the spiritually dead cannot be convicted either! Their hearts are so full of enmity and hatred for God, they would never respond to conviction alone. The dead still have to have eyes to see and ears to hear. Conviction by the Holy Spirit only works in God's elect who were given new hearts -- new hearts that longer hate him and are rebellious toward him -- hearts that have been softened and consciences that have been made sensitive, etc.

Why do so many professing Christians insist on watering down the gospel that either discounts or diminishes its miraculous, supernatural nature or make fallen men the final arbiter of their eternal destiny, which would mean God's will is contingent on his moral creatures. Is it not written:

Prov 16:9
9 In his heart a man plans his course,
but the LORD determines his steps?
NIV

And, yes, the "quickened" are those who are no longer separated from the Life of God. And the only person who puts any of us in union with the Father and the Son is the Holy Spirit.

Wow! What an awesome testimony of God's grace! God bless, sister!

Yes, the elect's salvation was accomplished by Christ's death resurrection. But it needs to be applied in space in time -- which by the way will because God has so decreed it.

Isa 48:3
3 I foretold the former things long ago,
my mouth announced them and I made them known;
then suddenly I acted, and they came to pass.
NIV

This passage is one the reasons I'm a supralapsarian.

I am going to have to confess-this right here-is a problem for me-the "elect" and Calvin's interpretation of it.
J.

Supralapsarianism is a theological position within Calvinism that emphasizes the sovereignty of God in predestination. The term "supralapsarian" comes from Latin, meaning "above the fall." Supralapsarians believe that God, for His glory, elected some individuals to salvation and condemned others to damnation before the Fall of Adam

In this view, the decree of election and reprobation logically precedes the decree to create the world and permit the fall


Key Points:
Origin: Developed in the 16th and early 17th centuries within Calvinistic circles.
Distinctive Belief: God's decree of election and reprobation precedes the decree to create the world and permit the fall.
Theological Implications: Emphasizes God's sovereignty in predestination and highlights His glory in both salvation and condemnation.

Supralapsarianism has been a topic of debate among theologians, with some notable figures like Theodore Beza and William Twisse supporting this view. While historically significant, supralapsarianism has not been widely held among Calvinists, with most adhering to infralapsarianism, which places the decree of election after the decree to permit the fall

In summary, supralapsarianism is a theological perspective that underscores God's sovereign election and reprobation before the Fall of Adam, emphasizing His divine authority in predestination.

A problem for me-no offense.

I have said all along it requires God's grace (which is given freely) but one is not made spiritually alive before they believe the Gospel. They are given grace, God's power, so they are able to see the truth and understand it's implications for themselves, then they are able to decide whether they believe the message to be true or not without coercion from any and all sources other than their own volition.

You have been saying they must be "quickened" first. It simply is not true. People either prefer darkness or they prefer light. The assent of the will (believing) is not a gift from God, faith is a gift but faith is the word at work in you. We do not generate faith from within ourselves, that is the work of the word (faith comes from the word Rom.10:17). But believing is something we do, either we believe the truth or we believe the error. That is our choice. Even after salvation that is our choice, for if it were not? Then we would all believe exactly the same. Yet if not for the grace of God and the work of the Holy Spirit no-one would ever know what the truth is to accept or reject. We all would be completely oblivious to God and spiritual matters.

They can with GRACE! How many times must I say it?

God bless you.

Isaiah 48:3 is a verse from the book of Isaiah in the Old Testament of the Bible. In this verse, God is speaking and declaring that He has foretold the former things long ago, and that His mouth announced them and made them known. He then acted suddenly, and they came to pass. The context of this verse is that God is reminding the people of Israel of His faithfulness and sovereignty. He is reminding them that He has always been in control and has always been faithful to His promises. The verse is part of a larger section in which God is calling the people of Israel to repentance and reminding them of His power and faithfulness. The verse emphasizes God's ability to predict the future and bring it to pass, demonstrating His sovereignty and power.

All men love darkness in the natural estate. And I believe that men of their own volition believe. But it is God who is both the author and finisher of our faith. Were it left to us alone, we would never come to faith. And were it left to us, we would all fall away. Thankfully, there is no stipulation in regard to our failures other than chastisement. The first covenant was not so gracious.

I'm learning a lot here brother-and new terminologies-but I don't hold to Calvin and his view of the elect-no offense.

Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.


So then faith cometh ... - This I take to be clearly the language of the objector. As if he had said, by the very quotation which you have made from Isaiah, it appears that a report was necessary. He did not condemn people for not believing what they had not heard; but he complains of those who did not believe a message actually delivered to them. Even by this passage, therefore, it seems that a message was necessary, that faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the divine message. It could not be right, therefore, to condemn those who had not obeyed the gospel because they had not heard it; and hence, not right to make salvation dependent on a condition which was, by the arrangement of God, put beyond their power. The very quotation from Isaiah, therefore, goes to confirm the objection in Rom_10:14;15.
By hearing - Our translation has varied the expression here, which is the same in two places in the Greek: “Isaiah said, Who hath believed our report τῇ ἀκοῇ tē akoē? So then, you must admit that faith comes by that report ἐξ ἀκοῆς ex akoēs, and therefore this report or message is necessary.” When it is said that faith cometh by hearing, it is not meant that all who hear actually believe, for that is not true; but that faith does not exist unless there is a message, or report, to be heard or believed. It cannot come otherwise than by such a message; in other words, unless there is something made known to be believed. And this shows us at once the importance of the message, and the fact that people are converted by the instrumentality of truth, and of truth only.
Albert Barnes.


1 ) "So then faith cometh by hearing", (ara he pistis eks akoes) "Then the faith comes out of hearing;" He who refuses to hear the Word, through which knowledge of condemnation and conviction of sin comes, Pro_1:22-24 will never have or ' take hold of the "gift of faith," thru which media every sinner is offered salvation by placing his divinely offered gift of faith in Jesus Christ, Eph_2:8-9; Joh_3:16.

2) "And hearing," (he de akoe) "And the hearing," The hearing comes, the comprehensive, understanding comes, by the Word of God, as the holy spirit is poured out upon the sinner to make him understand the gravity or seriousness of his sins, Pro_1:22-23; Isa_32:14-15; Joh_16:7-11.

3) "By the word of God," (dia hrematos christou) "Through the clearly declared Word of Christ," God's Holy Spirit accompanies the teaching and preaching of the Word to convict and call sinners to repentance, to salvation, and to separated, consecrated living, to godliness. 0, that men might but obey the call of the Word and the spirit to service, as well as the call of men to accept, believe the true-form-gospel (three-tier-gospel) that Jesus Christ -
a) "died for our sins
b) was buried for our sins
C) and rose again, the third day for our sins, according to the scriptures." Any other form or pattern of belief, one that leaves out or doubts the resurrection, etc., or adds something to this and calls it "obeying the gospel," is a perverter of, not a proclaimer of the gospel of good tidings, according to the scriptures, 1Co_15:1-4; Gal_1:6-9; Act_1:14-16; Rom_10:16 above cited, certifies "-believing the report," glad tidings, good news report of Isa_53:1-12, is obeying the gospel.


I'll be interested to know your view of Calvin and the elect-opening a can of worms here-I know.
J.