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Jesus instituted the new covenant during the Last Supper, stating, "This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood" (Luke 22:20)
. The book of Hebrews describes the new covenant as having been made, noting that the old covenant has become obsolete due to the establishment of the new covenant (Hebrews 8:13)
. Additionally, the apostle Paul writes that believers are ministers of a new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6)
indicating that the new covenant has already begun to be implemented.Therefore, although the full realization of the new covenant's promises remains future, the new covenant itself has been made and is currently in effect.
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The statement in the book of Hebrews that the old covenant has become obsolete due to the establishment of the new covenant is a significant theological concept within Christian doctrine. In Hebrews 8:13, the author is highlighting the superiority of the new covenant over the old covenant established under Mosaic Law.
The old covenant, characterized by laws and rituals, was temporary and served as a foreshadowing of the ultimate redemption to come through Jesus Christ. The new covenant, on the other hand, is based on grace, forgiveness, and a personal relationship with God through faith in Jesus Christ.
By declaring the old covenant obsolete, Hebrews emphasizes that with the advent of the new covenant, there is a new way for humanity to be reconciled with God. The sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross fulfilled the requirements of the old covenant and inaugurated a new era of salvation and spiritual freedom for believers.
This passage underscores the transformative power of the new covenant and highlights the fulfillment of God's redemptive plan through Jesus Christ, making it a foundational teaching in Christian theology.
. The book of Hebrews describes the new covenant as having been made, noting that the old covenant has become obsolete due to the establishment of the new covenant (Hebrews 8:13)
. Additionally, the apostle Paul writes that believers are ministers of a new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6)
indicating that the new covenant has already begun to be implemented.Therefore, although the full realization of the new covenant's promises remains future, the new covenant itself has been made and is currently in effect.
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The statement in the book of Hebrews that the old covenant has become obsolete due to the establishment of the new covenant is a significant theological concept within Christian doctrine. In Hebrews 8:13, the author is highlighting the superiority of the new covenant over the old covenant established under Mosaic Law.
The old covenant, characterized by laws and rituals, was temporary and served as a foreshadowing of the ultimate redemption to come through Jesus Christ. The new covenant, on the other hand, is based on grace, forgiveness, and a personal relationship with God through faith in Jesus Christ.
By declaring the old covenant obsolete, Hebrews emphasizes that with the advent of the new covenant, there is a new way for humanity to be reconciled with God. The sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the cross fulfilled the requirements of the old covenant and inaugurated a new era of salvation and spiritual freedom for believers.
This passage underscores the transformative power of the new covenant and highlights the fulfillment of God's redemptive plan through Jesus Christ, making it a foundational teaching in Christian theology.
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I didn't read it because I knew it to be false. The old covenant was given by God to Israel. It called for obedience and gave the stipulations for obedience and disobedience. Israel failed to keep the terms of the covenant and the 1st century destruction of the temple and Jerusalem was the result. Another covenant was offered to mankind. This covenant wasn't between God and men, but between God the Father and God the Son. The only requirement to be in this covenant is to be in Christ. And the only stipulation is that one believe. This became available to all mankind once God accepted Christ's perfect life and atoning sacrifice. The evidence that it was accepted is that He was given a name above all others and seated Him at His right hand. The evidence for all this was first viewed at Pentecost and has continued as eternal is granted even to our day.
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There is a great difference between Judaism -- a religion developed among the ancient Hebrews and characterized by belief in one transcendent God who has revealed himself to Abraham, Moses, and the Hebrew prophets and by a religious life in accordance with Scriptures and rabbinic traditions -- and the Jewish people.
I am a Jew by the first birth and a Christian by the second birth. Jesus was a Jew, as were all the authors of the "books" of the Bible (with Luke being the sole exception) and all His early followers.
I am a Jew by the first birth and a Christian by the second birth. Jesus was a Jew, as were all the authors of the "books" of the Bible (with Luke being the sole exception) and all His early followers.
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Johann, we have to look at the wording, Jesus used testament (KJV), I saw this also and researched it, there is a major difference. I know testament is appropriate in the context of the last supper before his death, A covenant as you know is quite different. Yes also many of law of Moses are no longer required, the covenant God made was all about the Commandments.
see post: https://christianchat.com/threads/the-10-commandments-and-the-law-of-moses.214124/post-5242712
Peace
see post: https://christianchat.com/threads/the-10-commandments-and-the-law-of-moses.214124/post-5242712
Peace
Returning to the thread's subject...
The sabbath is a day when no work is to be done, i.e., a day off. This concept was unknown in ancient societies where work was required seven days a week.
Of course, Jesus pointed out that the "law" was to be generally observed, but that there were exceptions.
Luke 14:1-6, "One Sabbath, when Jesus went to eat in the house of a prominent Pharisee, he was being carefully watched. There in front of him was a man suffering from abnormal swelling of his body. Jesus asked the Pharisees and experts in the law, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath or not?” But they remained silent. So taking hold of the man, he healed him and sent him on his way.
Then he asked them, “If one of you has a child or an ox that falls into a well on the Sabbath day, will you not immediately pull it out?” And they had nothing to say."
The sabbath is a day when no work is to be done, i.e., a day off. This concept was unknown in ancient societies where work was required seven days a week.
Of course, Jesus pointed out that the "law" was to be generally observed, but that there were exceptions.
Luke 14:1-6, "One Sabbath, when Jesus went to eat in the house of a prominent Pharisee, he was being carefully watched. There in front of him was a man suffering from abnormal swelling of his body. Jesus asked the Pharisees and experts in the law, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath or not?” But they remained silent. So taking hold of the man, he healed him and sent him on his way.
Then he asked them, “If one of you has a child or an ox that falls into a well on the Sabbath day, will you not immediately pull it out?” And they had nothing to say."
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Jesus instituted the new covenant during the Last Supper, stating, "This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood" (Luke 22:20)
. The book of Hebrews describes the new covenant as having been made, noting that the old covenant has become obsolete due to the establishment of the new covenant (Hebrews 8:13)
. Additionally, the apostle Paul writes that believers are ministers of a new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6)
indicating that the new covenant has already begun to be implemented.Therefore, although the full realization of the new covenant's promises remains future, the new covenant itself has been made and is currently in effect.
Answer
To provide an exhaustive exploration of these Scriptural passages and their implications, I will present the relevant verses along with an exegetical analysis.
I. Luke 22:20 — Institution of the New Covenant at the Last Supper
And likewise the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
In this verse, Jesus establishes the new covenant using the metaphor of the Passover meal, where the Israelites were instructed to drink from a cup symbolizing deliverance from bondage (Exodus 12). By referring to His own blood being shed, Jesus signifies that His death would bring about a new covenantal relationship between Himself and His followers.
II. Hebrews 8:13 — Obsoleteness of Old Covenant Due to Establishment of New Covenant
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Here, the writer of Hebrews argues that the new covenant renders the old covenant obsolete because it offers something far more substantial—a permanent solution to sin and alienation from God. The old covenant could only temporarily cover sins; however, the new covenant provides eternal forgiveness and access to God through faith in Jesus Christ.
III. 2 Corinthians 3:6 — Believers Are Ministers of a New Covenant
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Paul uses the term 'ministers' here to describe those who proclaim the gospel message of the new covenant. Unlike the old covenant, which relied heavily upon external regulations and rules, the new covenant focuses on the work of the Holy Spirit within believers' hearts, leading them into a deeper relationship with God.
From these three passages, we can conclude that:
Jesus institutes the new covenant during the Last Supper, establishing a new relationship between Himself and His disciples based on His sacrificial death.
The book of Hebrews states that the new covenant makes the old covenant obsolete, implying that the new covenant brings about a fundamental change in how people relate to God.
The apostle Paul indicates that believers serve as ministers of the new covenant, meaning they share the good news of the new covenant with others and help lead them into a closer walk with God.
Despite the fact that the full realization of the new covenant's promises remains future, the new covenant itself has been made and is currently in effect among believers. As Christians continue to grow in their knowledge and experience of the new covenant, they anticipate its final consummation when all things are made new according to Revelation 21:5.
This is strike 2 brother-you don't believe the Pauline epistles and now this-I can go deeper into the Kainos Covenant-ratified and established in the SHED BLOOD of Yeshua -but this should suffice.
I am concerned-no offense.
J.
Jesus instituted the new covenant during the Last Supper, stating, "This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood" (Luke 22:20)
. The book of Hebrews describes the new covenant as having been made, noting that the old covenant has become obsolete due to the establishment of the new covenant (Hebrews 8:13)
. Additionally, the apostle Paul writes that believers are ministers of a new covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6)
indicating that the new covenant has already begun to be implemented.Therefore, although the full realization of the new covenant's promises remains future, the new covenant itself has been made and is currently in effect.
Answer
To provide an exhaustive exploration of these Scriptural passages and their implications, I will present the relevant verses along with an exegetical analysis.
I. Luke 22:20 — Institution of the New Covenant at the Last Supper
And likewise the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
In this verse, Jesus establishes the new covenant using the metaphor of the Passover meal, where the Israelites were instructed to drink from a cup symbolizing deliverance from bondage (Exodus 12). By referring to His own blood being shed, Jesus signifies that His death would bring about a new covenantal relationship between Himself and His followers.
II. Hebrews 8:13 — Obsoleteness of Old Covenant Due to Establishment of New Covenant
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Here, the writer of Hebrews argues that the new covenant renders the old covenant obsolete because it offers something far more substantial—a permanent solution to sin and alienation from God. The old covenant could only temporarily cover sins; however, the new covenant provides eternal forgiveness and access to God through faith in Jesus Christ.
III. 2 Corinthians 3:6 — Believers Are Ministers of a New Covenant
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Paul uses the term 'ministers' here to describe those who proclaim the gospel message of the new covenant. Unlike the old covenant, which relied heavily upon external regulations and rules, the new covenant focuses on the work of the Holy Spirit within believers' hearts, leading them into a deeper relationship with God.
From these three passages, we can conclude that:
Jesus institutes the new covenant during the Last Supper, establishing a new relationship between Himself and His disciples based on His sacrificial death.
The book of Hebrews states that the new covenant makes the old covenant obsolete, implying that the new covenant brings about a fundamental change in how people relate to God.
The apostle Paul indicates that believers serve as ministers of the new covenant, meaning they share the good news of the new covenant with others and help lead them into a closer walk with God.
Despite the fact that the full realization of the new covenant's promises remains future, the new covenant itself has been made and is currently in effect among believers. As Christians continue to grow in their knowledge and experience of the new covenant, they anticipate its final consummation when all things are made new according to Revelation 21:5.
This is strike 2 brother-you don't believe the Pauline epistles and now this-I can go deeper into the Kainos Covenant-ratified and established in the SHED BLOOD of Yeshua -but this should suffice.
I am concerned-no offense.
J.
What does this have to do with paul? Paul agrees the old civenant is ready to vanish away it does not maen has vanished away. like i explained in great detail Heb 8 is mostly quoted from jeremiah 31 for the end times I guess you did not read the post. what is the difference between a testament and covenant? I dont think you know.
You are digging a hole for yourself brother-no offense.
The terms "testament" and "covenant" are related but have subtle distinctions in both Hebrew and Greek.Hebrew:
. However, the Greek term "diathēkē" specifically implies a unilateral declaration rather than a bilateral agreement like the Hebrew term "berit."Confusion may arise because the Septuagint, a Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament, used the term "diathēkē" instead of "syntheke" ("binding together") to translate the Hebrew term "berit"
. Despite this discrepancy, the underlying concept of a covenant remains consistent throughout the Bible, regardless of whether the term "testament" or "covenant" is used.Scripture references:
The terms "testament" and "covenant" are related but have subtle distinctions in both Hebrew and Greek.Hebrew:
- Berit: This Hebrew term means "to bind" or "fetter," denoting a solemn agreement or contract between two parties
- Diathēkē: This Greek term means "binding together" or "last will and testament." Although it shares some elements with the Hebrew concept of covenant, it primarily refers to a unilateral declaration of one's will, such as a will or testament left behind after death
. However, the Greek term "diathēkē" specifically implies a unilateral declaration rather than a bilateral agreement like the Hebrew term "berit."Confusion may arise because the Septuagint, a Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament, used the term "diathēkē" instead of "syntheke" ("binding together") to translate the Hebrew term "berit"
. Despite this discrepancy, the underlying concept of a covenant remains consistent throughout the Bible, regardless of whether the term "testament" or "covenant" is used.Scripture references:
- Exodus 19:3–6; 20:1–17; 24
- Jeremiah 31:31–34
- Matthew 26:28; 1 Corinthians 11:23–25; Hebrews 8:6–8
- Hebrews 9:15; 13:20
- Galatians 3:15–17
- Isaiah 48:11
- Genesis 26:28-29; 31:51-54
- Deuteronomy 29:12; 1 Kings 8:21, 15:19; 2 Samuel 23:5
Shalom
Johann.
No, the statement that Hebrews 8 is mostly quoted from Jeremiah 31 for the end times is not entirely accurate.
While there are similarities between the two texts, Hebrews 8 draws inspiration from multiple sources, including Jeremiah 31, but it does not directly quote Jeremiah 31 verbatim. Instead, Hebrews 8 builds upon themes and ideas presented in various prophetic books, especially Jeremiah 31 and Ezekiel 36-37.A comparison of the two texts demonstrates that while Hebrews 8:8-12 echoes themes found in Jeremiah 31:31-34, the language and structure differ significantly. For instance:
J.
While there are similarities between the two texts, Hebrews 8 draws inspiration from multiple sources, including Jeremiah 31, but it does not directly quote Jeremiah 31 verbatim. Instead, Hebrews 8 builds upon themes and ideas presented in various prophetic books, especially Jeremiah 31 and Ezekiel 36-37.A comparison of the two texts demonstrates that while Hebrews 8:8-12 echoes themes found in Jeremiah 31:31-34, the language and structure differ significantly. For instance:
- Hebrews 8:8 quotes Leviticus 18:19, not Jeremiah 31:31.
- Hebrews 8:9-10 expands upon the idea of a new covenant without explicitly quoting Jeremiah 31:33-34.
- Hebrews 8:11-12 discusses the forgiveness of sins and the removal of the need for sacrifices, which is not explicitly mentioned in Jeremiah 31.
- New International Commentary on the New Testament - Hebrews by George H. Guthrie
- Word Biblical Commentary - Hebrews by David S. Dockery
- Tyndale New Testament Commentaries - Hebrews by Leon Morris
- Zondervan Illustrated Bible Backgrounds Commentary - Hebrews by Andrew T. Lincoln
J.
I have found a good article on the internet, well made well explained about the new covenant better described than i could, please read it is interesting and confirms Paul's views in Heb 8, I am not the best to explain things.
https://faithconnector.s3.amazonaws.com/chafer/files/v8n4_4the_new_covenant.pdf
I agree with this view.
https://faithconnector.s3.amazonaws.com/chafer/files/v8n4_4the_new_covenant.pdf
I agree with this view.
Goes to show it is not about intellectual head knowledge-but where it counts-epignosis-in the Lev-the eyes of our understanding being enlightened through and in the instrumentality/sphere of the Ruach HaKodesh and the message of the Cross.
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
1Co_1:23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles,
1Co_2:2 For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
believeth. or, believing. Gr. pisteuonti. Believing translates pisteuonti, a present tense active voice participle, thus the Gospel is power from God for salvation to all the ones continuing to believe (Malcolm Lavender, Lavender Translation, fn. i). FS121F, +Gen_49:6, The belief is the effect of the power of God through the preaching of the gospel. Rom_4:5, Joh_3:16, +*Act_16:31; Act_20:21.
This is how I believe.
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
1Co_1:23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles,
1Co_2:2 For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
believeth. or, believing. Gr. pisteuonti. Believing translates pisteuonti, a present tense active voice participle, thus the Gospel is power from God for salvation to all the ones continuing to believe (Malcolm Lavender, Lavender Translation, fn. i). FS121F, +Gen_49:6, The belief is the effect of the power of God through the preaching of the gospel. Rom_4:5, Joh_3:16, +*Act_16:31; Act_20:21.
This is how I believe.
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According to the New Testament, the new covenant was indeed culminated in Jesus Christ. The new covenant was inaugurated with the death of Christ, as it is the highest point in the initiation process
. Furthermore, the new covenant was ratified by Jesus' blood, as stated in Hebrews 9:15 and 10:19-20
After Jesus rose from the dead, He commanded His disciples to remain in Jerusalem until they received the Holy Spirit, marking the beginning of the new covenant era (Acts 1:4-5)
. Finally, Jesus himself declared that the new covenant was established in His blood during the Last Supper (Luke 22:20)
. Therefore, the new covenant reached its climactic conclusion with the person and work of Jesus Christ.
I am not really into Dispensationalism brother.
. Furthermore, the new covenant was ratified by Jesus' blood, as stated in Hebrews 9:15 and 10:19-20
After Jesus rose from the dead, He commanded His disciples to remain in Jerusalem until they received the Holy Spirit, marking the beginning of the new covenant era (Acts 1:4-5)
. Finally, Jesus himself declared that the new covenant was established in His blood during the Last Supper (Luke 22:20)
. Therefore, the new covenant reached its climactic conclusion with the person and work of Jesus Christ.
I am not really into Dispensationalism brother.
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According to the scripture you some how excluded.
Luke 22:20
And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup, which is poured out for you, is the new covenant in My blood."
1 Corinthians 11:25
In the same way He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”
2 Corinthians 3:6
Who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
The New Covenant was instituted by Jesus in the first century.
Luke 22:20
And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup, which is poured out for you, is the new covenant in My blood."
1 Corinthians 11:25
In the same way He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”
2 Corinthians 3:6
Who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
The New Covenant was instituted by Jesus in the first century.
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Paul is not proclaiming his own gospel.
1 Corinthians 2:2-5
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified. I also was with you in weakness and fear, and in great trembling, and my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, so that your faith would not rest on the wisdom of mankind, but on the power of God.
Paul is actually teaching the authentic gospel without anything added.
Christ crucified!
1 Corinthians 2:2-5
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified. I also was with you in weakness and fear, and in great trembling, and my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, so that your faith would not rest on the wisdom of mankind, but on the power of God.
Paul is actually teaching the authentic gospel without anything added.
Christ crucified!
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