Predestination is misunderstood...

Not always
Example:
Joshua 24:15........as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

I don't believe in Predestination, OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved), or Unconditional Eternal Security.

Free Will: Many passages that speak of human free will and responsibility, such as Joshua 24:15, Deuteronomy 30:19, and Revelation 22:17. Predestination contradicts free will, making salvation predetermined and human choices meaningless.


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there is no such thing as a human free will that saves anyone.

And there is no such thing as human free will cancelling out predestination from the lord.

If the lord decides to save you he will.

there is no such thing as a human free will that saves anyone. Human freewill does NOT save anyone. that is true.

And there is no such thing as human free will cancelling out predestination from the lord.

If the lord decides to save you he will. God "decided" to offer salvation to everyone, all they have to do is believe on Jesus. That is not a "work" and there is no merit credited to mankind for believing. Trusting Jesus to save you from Hell is a totally selfish act on our part. It's not even an "act", it's simply believing in your heart. Only believe: that's all he asks.

Does the natural man possess a heart like the one described in Jeremiah 17:9?

Yes, we all do.

Not if you don't want Him to!! He will not save you by force!

Can such a heart truly believe?

he was sent into exile, and God would not speak to him. Saul clearly states That God is no longer speaking to him.

It no different to God Saying to the Israelites I will no longer hear your prayers until you welcome the lord.

It's no different to God not answering prayers in the 8 separate verses i posted regarding, God no longer answering prayers of people who have walked with him.

Why is it so difficult to see that faith comes before salvation.

Soooo, if it doesn’t fit your private interpretation then it’s wrong?😂

The penalty of sin is removed at the point of faith at which time justification simultaneously takes place.

Regeneration itself is an act of grace! When Jesus raised Lazarus from his tomb, that wasn't an act of grace?

Again, spiritually dead people have no spiritual ability to do anything pleasing to God. Read Romans 3.

Yes.

Who said faith came after salvation?
you have not proved to me Saul ever had faith hence I fail to see your point?

Best verse describing human free will, 22 And Joshua said unto the people: 'Ye are witnesses against yourselves that ye "have chosen" you the LORD, to serve Him.--And they said: 'We are witnesses.'--

so hang on you don't know either way whether Saul had faith or not.

When Samuel clearly stated, that the spirit would come upon Saul and change him.

Why are you in such denial.

Can you not see what's going on here with so many people saying I can reject the lord if I want to.

Can you not see what is being encouraged here.

like I said you like to aggravate people further, so no I will not directly answer any more of your question,.

Like it or lump it.

The reason verse 22 is the best "free will" verse is because these people Joshua is speaking to are descendants of those who SAW GOD deliver them from Egypt, witnessed the parting of the Sea, 40 years of no wearing out of clothing or shoes, saw manna and quail, saw God on the mountain, and they chose to "reject God." But these people, their descendants, "chose to Serve God."

So one group saw God and chose to reject Him and their descendants saw God and chose to serve Him. So "they both saw God" and had free will to reject or serve.