Not By Works

I will go with Mark 16:9-20 not being in the earliest manuscripts and may not be part of the original biblical text.

And I will also go with no other scripture supports your position.

whats casting out demons got to do with baptism.

Are you trying to insult me

Slow down Jack and read the larger portion of the text....

Mark 16:16

Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

That is your proof text....... this verse is not included in the oldest and most reliable biblical manuscripts.

So move on and find a more "supportive" scripture for you assertion.

That's a good rejection if ever i heard one, but i would have to question if thats a Good works by the Holy spirit .

Anyone can use the "holy spirit" as their personal guide as part of their assertion, yes false teachers do that all the time.

I can see you did not like my appeal to authority so now you are using the "holy spirit" as your authority disconnected from scripture, that is not sound scripture interpretation.

When Nicodemus spoke to Jesus about being born again, he didn't understand and asked how a man can enter a second time into his mother's womb.

So the water of the womb is the context of the birth.

Jesus then answers to say you must be born by water (the water of the womb) and the Spirit (later at belief on Jesus).

Jesus isn't talking about water baptism here, but physical birth compared with Spiritual.

Others look at this and say being born of water and the Spirit is the water of new life..the everlasting spring. I don't agree with this, but both these interpretations are not about water baptism.

correction, you are not born of water in the mothers womb,

You are born in water 😋

I think some people do not have a clear understanding of Baptism... If you think baptism is all about being dunked into water then the Bible will show you that you are mistaken.. Paul in the early days of Christianity was probably the one who's preaching saw thousands of people receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit.. He played a part in the salvation of many new believers.. But even He said the following::

(1 Corinthians 1:14-17) "I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; {15} Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. {16} And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. {17} For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect."

What is the kind of baptism Paul is speaking of here? Is he talking about the baptism of the Holy Spirit or is he talking about water baptism? If we read the Bible we seem numerous times when gentiles having heard the gospel from Paul received the Holy Spirit many of the speaking in tongues as a manifestation of receiving the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.. So in context of all the books and letters in the Bible about what Paul did it cannot be speaking of both Water baptism and Baptism of the Holy Spirit.. Therefore we must conclude Paul was talking only about water baptism in the above portion of scripture..

John the Baptist also made it clear that the baptism of Jesus would NOT be water baptism. When He said about Jesus..

(Mark 1:6-8) "And John was clothed with camel’s hair, and with a girdle of a skin about his loins; and he did eat locusts and wild honey; {7} And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose. {8} I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost."

So all this talk about the necessity of water baptism for salvation is simply not in alignment with the scriptures.. If anything water baptism is a symbolic public declaration of a Spiritual baptism that has already happened to a person who has already come to believe Jesus and trust in his atonement..

it seems that when people want to prove you can't be saved by works, there happy to make baptism look evil to

Salvation is believing on the Lord Jesus Christ for eternal life. Full stop. Done deal.

Almost the entire book of John says this.

Service after salvation..or discipleship ..is water baptism, reading your Bible, sharing your faith etc..

That is where James 2 comes in.

They are separate things.

A person saved is not guaranteed to then go on to do all the rest.

Early church times most did go on to water baptism, service in a church etc.. in fact most got baptized in water straight after salvation.

That is part of the reason you have baptism alongside salvation in some verses. But.... this has already been covered..discussed ad nauseum. So I'll leave it there.

Thanks for your opinion

repeating words spoken in the bible will not save you.

Why because one sentence is not a full story.

Scriptures says believe in Jesus Christ and you will be saved.

Because he is the high priest of salvation

He holds the power to life and death.

When scripture says believe in the son and you will be saved, it does not say you will be saved instantly.

So you can not assume the moment you say i believe Jesus is lord, you will be saved completely at that moment.

I did not mean someone just repeating a line back. I mean from the heart confessing what you believe to Jesus. The mind is changed and then the person confesses that change from the heart.

But this most surely is instant. There is no time period put in scripture between believing and being sealed by the Holy Spirit.

End.

Not just my opinion but also it's Scripture...

Philippians 3:3
For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Circumcision of the heart is when the sword of the spirit Pearces the heart.

And simply put Jesus came to save the world with his sword.

And further more he did not come to bring Peace on his last visit, he said as much.

Which means he's coming back to Judge everybody.

And those who save themself's will lose there life.

But those who believe and are baptised will be saved.

When Nicodemus spoke to Jesus about being born again, he didn't understand and asked how a man can enter a second time into his mother's womb.

So the water of the womb is the context of the birth.

Jesus then answers to say you must be born by water (the water of the womb) and the Spirit (later at belief on Jesus).

Jesus isn't talking about water baptism here, but physical birth compared with Spiritual.

Others look at this and say being born of water and the Spirit is the water of new life..the everlasting spring. I don't agree with this, but both these interpretations are not about water baptism.