Water Baptism-What is in a Name?

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Wansvic said:
They are foreshadows.
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Foreshadowing the baptism into Jesus when/where none get wet with water, yes, I agree.

As foreshadows, they certainly make it very clear that saving baptism does not get anyone wet.
 
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Wansvic said:
Consider the apostles never used the phrase; they consistently used the name.

Matthew 28:19 is easy to understand. Jesus gave a command. The apostles obeyed the command.
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Did you ever find any scriptures that clarify exactly what words (if any) were used when they baptized someone in the New Testament?
 
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ResidentAlien said:
Did you ever find any scriptures that clarify exactly what words (if any) were used when they baptized someone in the New Testament?
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Already provided. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-6, 22:16) You disagreed.

"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:16

"To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins." Acts 10:43 Those who were informed of this were commanded to be baptized in the name of the Lord. (Acts 10:47-48)
 
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Already provided. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-6, 22:16) You disagreed.

"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Acts 22:16

"To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins." Acts 10:43 Those who were informed of this were commanded to be baptized in the name of the Lord. (Acts 10:47-48)
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Let me ask you this? What is an acceptable way to get baptized in your opinion? Ideally, what words should be spoken and by whom to have a valid baptism?
 
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Let me ask you this? What is an acceptable way to get baptized in your opinion? Ideally, what words should be spoken and by whom to have a valid baptism?
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Opinion is worthless. If you sincerely wish to know the answer, compile a list of scriptures relevant to the topic and study it out. It's the best way to arrive at the truth.

Jesus said all will be judged by the word, not the opinion of others. (John 12:48)
 
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Wansvic said:
Opinion is worthless. If you sincerely wish to know the answer, compile a list of scriptures relevant to the topic and study it out. It's the best way to arrive at the truth.

Jesus said all will be judged by the word, not the opinion of others. (John 12:48)
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I have to say I'm pretty surprised by this. You're the one going on an on about how baptism done the wrong way isn't valid, but you won't say what you believe is the right way. :unsure:
 
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"God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:" 1 Peter 3
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“baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:"


“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. ( born again to a new life by the resurrection of Jesus after he died for our sins )

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.( baptized for remission of sins )

Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, ( it’s why we’re buried in his name who died for our sins through the crucifixion ) but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.( new life begins through the resurrection )

Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.”( the new born again person has a choice of who to serve )
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.( grace isn’t an excuse to keep sinning ) Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;

whether of sin unto death, ( which Jesus died to remit ) or of obedience unto righteousness?”( which Jesus rose to offer us who believe )
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

in baptism according to faith we the sinners die with Jesus and we the new children of God born of his spirit are raised up to a new identity

“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:26-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Born again into an inheritance of the children of God
 
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Wansvic said:
Consider the apostles never used the phrase; they consistently used the name.

Matthew 28:19 is easy to understand. Jesus gave a command. The apostles obeyed the command.
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Jesus, did I consider that we are Paramount whenever Jesus is Speaking? He is the Final Authority.
 
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The ones who get abused the most here, and the ones who get banned the most here, are the ones looking to get saved.

The ones who should get banned the most here are the ones who have saved them selves, and spent a life time back stabbing people. And attacking people's character when faced with the truth.

have a great day
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
The ones who get abused the most here, and the ones who get banned the most here, are the ones looking to get saved.

The ones who should get banned the most here are the ones who have saved them selves, and spent a life time back stabbing people. And attacking people's character when faced with the truth.

Have a great day
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That is ridiculous. The rules are in place. Those who are banned are banned for very clear reasons. Some think it is an attack to disagree with them. And that they have the Only Truth. This post that is opinionated is fine. Yet trolls and those suffering from other issues do this. Because one will not agree with them or have provided biblical refuting of their position.
 
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That is ridiculous. The rules are in place. Those who are banned are banned for very clear reasons. Some think it is an attack to disagree with them. And that they have the Only Truth. This post that is opinionated is fine. Yet trolls and those suffering from other issues do this. Because one will not agree with them or have provided biblical refuting of their position.
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you should have been banned a long time ago 😊
 
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CS1 said:
That is ridiculous. The rules are in place. Those who are banned are banned for very clear reasons. Some think it is an attack to disagree with them. And that they have the Only Truth. This post that is opinionated is fine. Yet trolls and those suffering from other issues do this. Because one will not agree with them or have provided biblical refuting of their position.
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here have a dose of this

 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
you should have been banned a long time ago 😊
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I'm sure many think so :) Can you name one reason why you would? I'd love to hear what you think. Maybe they missed it.
 
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Wansvic said:
Please seriously consider, it's not about mere words. It's about neglecting to use the name of Jesus. A practice that was begun in direct opposition to what the bible clearly teaches.

Being obedient to the gospel requires calling upon the name of Jesus. On the day of Pentecost Peter said whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord will be saved. (Acts 2:21) He goes on to preach Jesus. Peter concludes by telling everyone to be baptized in the name of Jesus for remission of sin. (Acts 2:38) In essence obedience to that command is calling upon the name of the Lord.


Also, note the connection between the name and remission of sin that Peter makes in Acts 10:43. The account concludes with obedience to the command that brings about remission of sin:
"To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins" Acts 10:43
"Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord." Acts 10:47-48

"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12

"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Rom 10:13
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
How shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." Rom. 10:14-17
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I already showed that "in the name of" refers to by whos authority something is taught or done.
 
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Wansvic said:
If this were true, why isn't baptism administered both ways in the Bible?
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In History Baptism is as Jesus taught. all members of the trinity.

Didache 7. 1 Regarding baptism. Baptize as follows: after first explaining all these points, baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit (Mt 28:19), in running water. 2 But if you have no running water, baptize in other water; and if you cannot in cold, then in warm.
 
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