Christian Nationalist Movement in the United States

Hi brethren,

PBS did a story on the Christian Nationalism movement here in the USA, and I would like to receive more feedback on this organization. Our speaker of the house, Mike Johnson, is apparently tied to this organization, and some Christian Nationalists are accused of being involved in the January 6, 2021 insurrection in Washington.

My initial reaction is we as Christians do not have a lot of direct success when we get too tied in with secular government, but I would like to receive other perspectives on this movement.

Nope. You don't have two authoritarian systems on opposite ends of the same ideological spectrum.

Fascism was an offshoot of socialism, or a modified form of it. It wasn't "opposite" communism. Remember that Hitler and Mussolini were socialists before they became known as fascists. They did not radically swing from one side to the other side ideologically.

Both systems are police states. Both systems run the economy from the top down. Both systems do not allow dissent from the god-state's narrative. Both are collectivist systems. The individual does not matter (unless they mouth off at the State lol). Please show one significant difference between communism and fascism.

The ideological spectrum is just that: a line from right to left, becoming increasingly authoritarian or anarchistic, depending on which direction you're going.

I remember my poli-sci. prof. making an x-axis line on the board showing the right extreme as facist and left extreme as communist kind of like the graph below:

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I can see from Britannica that there are different approaches to this model as you and Nehemiah have noted. I like this quote:

"For example, though Stalinist communists would fall to the extreme left on the traditional left/right axis and Nazis would fall to the extreme right, Eysenck’s model would classify both as extreme examples of “tough-mindedness.”"

Source: Political spectrum | Definition, Chart, Examples, & Left Versus Right | Britannica

What kind of monster would a communist fascist be called? Certainly not Godzilla; how about Goshzilla?

Nope. You don't have two authoritarian systems on opposite ends of the same ideological spectrum.

Fascism was an offshoot of socialism, or a modified form of it. It wasn't "opposite" communism. Remember that Hitler and Mussolini were socialists before they became known as fascists. They did not radically swing from one side to the other side ideologically.

Both systems are police states. Both systems run the economy from the top down. Both systems do not allow dissent from the god-state's narrative. Both are collectivist systems. The individual does not matter (unless they mouth off at the State lol). Please show one significant difference between communism and fascism.

The ideological spectrum is just that: a line from right to left, becoming increasingly authoritarian or anarchistic, depending on which direction you're going.

I remember my poli-sci. prof. making an x-axis line on the board showing the right extreme as facist and left extreme as communist kind of like the graph below:

View attachment 260608

I can see from Britannica that there are different approaches to this model as you and Nehemiah have noted. I like this quote:

"For example, though Stalinist communists would fall to the extreme left on the traditional left/right axis and Nazis would fall to the extreme right, Eysenck’s model would classify both as extreme examples of “tough-mindedness.”"

Source: Political spectrum | Definition, Chart, Examples, & Left Versus Right | Britannica

What kind of monster would a communist fascist be called? Certainly not Godzilla; how about Goshzilla?

Good discussion here in the last two pages. I agree a lot with what's been said and since i have personal experience with communism, i can tell you that both systems, fascism and communism, suffer the same fate: they are hijacked by a dictator.
So, as @HeIsHere said, there is a difference between theory and practice.
In theory and on paper, communism is utopia. But in practice it turns into hell on Earth.

Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei.

What kind of monster would a communist fascist be called? Certainly not Godzilla; how about Goshzilla?

I disagree with this graphic entirely. The people who designed this, in my opinion, do this to demonize the Right.

I agree a lot with what's been said and since i have personal experience with communism, i can tell you that both systems, fascism and communism, suffer the same fate: they are hijacked by a dictator.

Oooo fancy schmancy!

That's probably why they shortened the fourteen syllables down to 2.

What people generally miss is that the word "Socialist" is found in the abbreviation "NAZI". And it was also found in the abbreviation "USSR". And the American Communists today also call themselves "Socialists" to hide the fact that they are actually hard-core Marxists. There is no difference between any of these evildoers. It is all about using the power of the State to control and oppress the general population, and destroy the country.

What people generally miss is that the word "Socialist" is found in the abbreviation "NAZI". And it was also found in the abbreviation "USSR". And the American Communists today also call themselves "Socialists" to hide the fact that they are actually hard-core Marxists. There is no difference between any of these evildoers. It is all about using the power of the State to control and oppress the general population, and destroy the country.

I disagree with this graphic entirely. The people who designed this, in my opinion, do this to demonize the Right.

How about this one?

10 Signs You're A Dangerous Christian Nationalist
POLITICS·Feb 12, 2024



With the 2024 election year in full swing, the danger posed by Christian nationalists continues to grow exponentially each day, threatening to destroy democracy itself. Knowing whether or not you harbor dangerous, deep-seated Christian nationalist tendencies may just save the entire world.
The Babylon Bee has compiled the following list of common signs you may, in fact, be a Christian nationalist:

1. You're a Christian: The biggest red flag of all.
2. You have voted in an election: You think you're supposed to have a say in who leads the country, you maniac?
3. You're married: To a person of the OPPOSITE sex, so there's no telling what horrible things you might do.
4. You are currently in possession of an American flag: Only a truly hateful person displays such frightening imagery.
5. You agree with the idea of building a society on principles like "do not steal," "do not lie," and "do not murder": Haven't you ever heard of the separation of CHURCH and STATE?
6. You let someone wearing a MAGA hat walk by without punching them in the face: Disturbing evidence that you agree with Nazis.
7. You pay for merchandise at Target instead of just running out the door: It's probably because you think you're better than everyone else. A classic symptom of Christian Nationalism.
8. You won't let your 3rd-grader join the After School Satan Club: Refusing to let your child hang out with the Prince of Darkness is a clear sign you're a bigot.
9. You face Mar A Lago five times per day and pray to Donald Trump: All Christian Nationalists do this.
10. You own a Bible: Even more dangerously, it's a King James Version.

If you exhibit any of the signs listed above, you are officially a Christian nationalist and an existential threat to the United States. It's a good thing you're already on an FB👁️ watch list.

Extremists are tearing down everything and the moderate conservatives have to rebuild it.

How about this one?

10 Signs You're A Dangerous Christian Nationalist
POLITICS·Feb 12, 2024



With the 2024 election year in full swing, the danger posed by Christian nationalists continues to grow exponentially each day, threatening to destroy democracy itself. Knowing whether or not you harbor dangerous, deep-seated Christian nationalist tendencies may just save the entire world.
The Babylon Bee has compiled the following list of common signs you may, in fact, be a Christian nationalist:

1. You're a Christian: The biggest red flag of all.
2. You have voted in an election: You think you're supposed to have a say in who leads the country, you maniac?
3. You're married: To a person of the OPPOSITE sex, so there's no telling what horrible things you might do.
4. You are currently in possession of an American flag: Only a truly hateful person displays such frightening imagery.
5. You agree with the idea of building a society on principles like "do not steal," "do not lie," and "do not murder": Haven't you ever heard of the separation of CHURCH and STATE?
6. You let someone wearing a MAGA hat walk by without punching them in the face: Disturbing evidence that you agree with Nazis.
7. You pay for merchandise at Target instead of just running out the door: It's probably because you think you're better than everyone else. A classic symptom of Christian Nationalism.
8. You won't let your 3rd-grader join the After School Satan Club: Refusing to let your child hang out with the Prince of Darkness is a clear sign you're a bigot.
9. You face Mar A Lago five times per day and pray to Donald Trump: All Christian Nationalists do this.
10. You own a Bible: Even more dangerously, it's a King James Version.

If you exhibit any of the signs listed above, you are officially a Christian nationalist and an existential threat to the United States. It's a good thing you're already on an FB👁️ watch list.