What if you die before water baptism?

you can't leave water baptism out of one lord one faith one baptism

The Holy Spirit distributes gifts according to the Father's Will.

Here's something to ponder...

Jesus Christ spoke a lot about spiritual things using natural things... like telling Nicodemus in John 3 that, "Unless a person is born again with water and Spirit, he cannot even see the Kingdom of God."

So, here we have water and Spirit as part of the "Born Again" process - Jesus did not say Salvation. Yet Nicodemus struggled because he was trying to understand with his natural human reasoning... he would need "spiritual ears" to hear and understand what the Spirit was saying.

Jesus told Nicodemus, How can you understand spiritual things when I've spoken concerning natural things and you do not understand.

I do believe something very special and very spiritual does happen to every Believer when we are water baptized and when we are baptized with the Holy Spirit... it's the birthing process. The Word of God is also referred to as the "washing of the water of the Word" in Ephesians 5...

Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

I'm curious about the Baptism with Fire...

Even the planet Earth is going through the Water, Spirit and Fire Baptism.... Noah's Flood on all flesh, Holy Spirit outpouring on all flesh, coming Fire on all flesh.....

Jesus was speaking about two kinds of BIRTHS.

When the flesh gives birth? The mother "breaks water."

That speaks of being born of the flesh, not water baptism.

well I believe water baptism is not solely dependant on baptism of fire straight away, or or by it's self.

But I'm convinced baptism of fire comes after water baptism. But confession of faith is more of a confession that kicks of the process, initially.

But for me Jesus was telling Nicodemus of what was to come.

I believe he was referring to being baptised in his name, in water after confessing of faith, which was Jesus implying being born of water and spirit.

upon confession Jesus is lord,.it could be your receive the spirit but your not born of the spirit until baptism of fire comes.

Can a person still receive salvation at Judgment day if they've not been water baptised.

Well I would say they have received the spirit upon confession Jesus is lord , and I would say also say They can be treated as those who where preached to by Jesus in paradise.

But I would say in order to receive baptism of fire you must be water baptised.

But if you don't receive baptism of fire I would also say your not doomed all together

I think that communication is very important in this life.
You have a great gift to communicate well with other people.
Even though i disagree with you on the topic of Salvation or even water baptism, i enjoy reading your posts because of your good communication.

Tell me...when were sins paid for?

Cameron it's not a simple as asking questions, you can't have sins payed for unless you confess.

There was only 1 time in history when sins were paid for.

...and when the Spirit gives birth.... does "water break"?

Jesus clearly said, "water and Spirit"....

Yet, we know the timing of water baptism is not consistent... it can happen before or after the baptism with the Holy Spirit but, we do know Salvation happens FIRST.

there's no doubt that every sin of the world that could have been commited in the world where commited before the cross, and Jesus bore all the sins of the world upon his shoulders. But to say he forgave all those sins is entirely a different story.

Because in order to be forgiven, you have to confess.

are you not going to ask him what the disagreement is.

You have to watch him tho, if you disagree with him, he cuts you off.

So now we have to have three births?

1. Flesh.
2. Water baptism.
3. And,,, Spirit Baptism?

Make up your mind...

One does need to repent...change direction...and believe. As part of repentance you will no doubt confess. But we don't need to continually repent because our hearts have been made new and we are already on board with team God. However, we are still prone to wander into sin and darkness, and confession will restore us to the light.

@Thunderrr-mental as i mentioned to you, i would like to discuss things with you too but the problem is that i can't understand you since English is your second language.
However, even if you spoke perfect English i find your mental state to be very disorganized.
In one sentence you say 10 topics in response to one topic.
So, for the 50% of the things that i am able to understand from you and which i find interesting, i take them and post them somewhere else where i can discuss them with people who are able to speak English.

So, i don't think we'll be able to understand each-other and that's okay. It is what it is.

No ... we end up being shown that the logic we use needs some grease.

Logos comes from the same root word as 'logic.'

When its comes to the Word of God?

If someone convinces me to change my mind for something wrong, because they have a pleasing personality?
I would not be a servant of the Lord.....

He testing all of us now to have us discover if we will be found trustworthy for receiving the power needed to share in his life experientially.

He will be our Husband.

Some wives are deep with their husband.
Others skim the surface....

Some treat the Word of God the same way,

Just to be clearly understood.... there are two births:

1 - Natural birth of water and flesh (born into Adam)
2 - Spiritual birth of water and Spirit (born into Christ the 2nd Adam)