598 to 2027, from beginning to end.

I would like all of you to think about the following verse. You’re letting the word ‘day” stand in your way. Yes, ‘day’ does refer to 24 hours; it’s a complicated Hebrew word and needs to be understood in the context in which it stands.

Now, if I say, “Tomorrow, at 10 o’clock, I will leave my house, go to the store and purchase a loaf of bread.”

When would this prophecy of mine begin, and when would it end? The comma tells us two events will take place and are connected by a single timeline. It will start when I leave my house at ten, (note the comma) go to the store (and when I get there), and buy a loaf of bread. That ends the prophecy.

Now compare that to,

Daniel 12:11, “From the time the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, (note the comma) and the abomination that makes desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.” It’s two events separated by one long period.

The first question that needs to be answered is, when was the daily sacrifice taken away?

Daniel wrote these verses in 599 B.C., the first year of Darius. Daniel was in Babylon; the Temple in Jerusalem was still standing, and the temple sacrifices were still going on in Israel.

Against that backdrop, Daniel wrote, “From the time the daily sacrifice shall be taken away and the abomination that makes desolate is set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.”

So, when does the prophecy begin? It begins when the daily sacrifice is taken away. When was that? That happened when Nebuchadnezzar removed the sacred vessels from the Temple in 598 B.C., see Chronicles 36:5-7, one year after Daniel wrote the prophecy.

Keep in mind that there’s a comma between the daily sacrifice being taken and “the abomination that makes desolate set up,” connected by one long period, “a thousand two hundred and ninety days (years).”

Daniel’s book contains a combination of Hebrew and Chaldean, the language of the Babylonians. Many words in Daniel’s book can be misunderstood if you don’t look them up. I believe the word ‘day’ is one of them. It has to be understood in the context of both chapters 11-12. Chapter 11 begins with three Persian kings and ends “at the end of the days.” Chapter 12 begins with “And,” so it’s a continuation of Chapter 11 and every event in between.

So, it’s a continual flow between two specific events, separated by 1290 years beginning in 598 B.C., ending when the “abomination of desolation is set up.” Set up means whatever the abomination is, it is ‘put there, set in place’ like the Dome was finished in 692 A.D., exactly 1290 years from when the daily sacrifice was taken away.

I started my journey into end-time prophecy many years ago. When I began, so many things were being written that were confusing and stretched way out of shape. I’ve read the same books you have on the subject, Lahay, Walvoord, Duck, Jack Van Impi, Lindsey, Adam Clark, and Matthew Henry, all saying pretty much the same thing, all weaving the book of Revelation into Daniel’s prophesies. Because I’m a pre-triber, I am not concerned about the seven years of tribulation John writes about, so I never confuse it with Daniel’s prophesies.

Now, you don’t have to respond if you cannot get past the word day. I’ve been reading Dougggs post and all the comments attached to it. There is too much confusion and too many disagreements.

My last comment is, if you add 1335 years to 692, we would be standing in the year 2027, precisely 2000 years after the Lord was baptized in October of 27 A.D. at the age of 30.

I honestly believe this year will be like no other in history. The walls have crumbled in America; there is no other place for a Christian or Jew to hide. Not in this world!

I have a question for all you people who say the antichrist will be a Jew. Here's my question, try to keep your answer short. If the antichrist is a Jew like you say, are you then saying he, as a Jew is going to make a covenant with the Jews (Israel)?

If so, what would that covenant be?

Maybe I used the wrong wording. If the antichrist is a Jew, is he going to make a peace treaty with his own people like some of you say he is?

If you have no answer to either question above, then, "What if the antichrist is a Gentile, will he confirm a covenant with the Jews? If so, what would the covenant be? and how long will it be before he breaks it.

This attempt to interpret days as years is what got the Millerites and SDAs into trouble. So stick with the literal meaning.

Nehemiah how you doing today? Not familiar with what the Millerites and SDAs did, don't get into all that nonsense. Let me assure you, every single post that I have put up on this forum is from my own research., and I do a lot of it. After reading most all the posts concerning end time prophecy (by most everyone on this platform) my advice to them is, forget everything you have read or written and start from scratch.

I have a dictionary of the N.T. on my website, seekfirstwisdom.com, it took me 12 years and it still not finished. Studying words is my strength, let's call it a gift I have. What I don't do is mix Revelation in with Daniel or Hosea. I take each book separate. Talking about the word day, let me ask you a question.

In Hosea 6:2, he speaks of two days and one day. Now if you tell me he is speaking of a 24-hour day, I'll tell you your full of it. Now if he is speaking of a day meaning a much longer period of time, we can continue this conversation.

Took the following from my dictionary, you probably won't look at it but that's okay, I did what I'm supposed to do. There are ten Greek words for day. I've focused on the two most important. I used the Strongs numbering system.

Day: 737. See Now, 737.
Day: 827. See Break, 827.
Day: 839. See Next, 839.

Day: 1773. Greek is, ennuchon. Adjective, nocturnal; neuter, as adverb, In the night by night. Mark 1:35, "Before day," very early, yet in the night, as Luke 24:1, "Early in the morning."

Day: 1887. Greek is, epaurion. Adverb of time, upon the morrow, tomorrow; hence in N.T. the morrow, the next day. Matthew 27:62, "The next day." Mark 11:12, "On the morrow." John 1:29-35-43, "The day following." John 6:22, 12:12. Acts 10:9-23-24, 14:20, 20:7, 21:8, 22:30, 25:6-23. Septuagint for Hebrew, "On the morrow," Genesis 19:34. Leviticus 23:11:16.

Day: 2250. Day's: Days: 2250. Greek is, hemera: Day as in,
a-1. past particle, the time from one sunrise or sunset to another. Generally, Matthew 6:34, "Unto the day is the evil." Mark 6:21. John 11:9, "Are there not twelve hours in a day?" Acts 2:15, 21:26. Romans 14:5-6. Luke 9:28, "eight days after these sayings," as a parenthetic clause. Luke 24:21, "Today is the third day." 2 Peter 2:13, "To riot in the day time," daily riot; others under b. below. Revelation 2:10, affliction of or for ten days. Luke 1:23, "The days of his ministration," the days of his official duty. James 5:5, "as in," as for the day of slaughter. So, seq. gen. of a festival etc. the sabbath day, Luke 4:16. John 19:31. Septuagint for Hebrew, "Sabbath day," Jeremiah 17:24-27. Day or days of unleavened bread, the Passover, Acts 12:3, 20:6. Luke 22:7. Day of Pentecost, Acts 2:1, 20:16. Often in specifications of time, as in the Genitive, of time when as indefinite and continued, as, in a day, every day, Luke 17:4. In the Dative of time when as definite; Matthew 16:21, "Raised again the third day." Mark 9:31. Luke 9:22, 13:14. John 2:1. Acts 7:8. By Hebrewism, 2 Corinthians 4:16, "Renewed day by day," every day, daily; So, Septuagint Hebrew, "Spake daily unto him," Septuagint and Hebrew, Esther 3:4. Septuagint, Psalms 68:19. In the Accusative, of time how long, implying duration. Matthew 20:6, "Why stand ye here all the day idle?" Matthew 28:20, "Alway," as always. Mark 1:13. John 1:39. Acts 9:9. Galatians 1:18. Revelation 11:9. So, Matthew 20:2, "A penny a day," for a denarius the day, as for a day's work. Acts 5:42, "Daily in the temple," every day, as the whole time. 2 Peter 2:8, "From day to day." In these and similar specifications of time, is very often construed with preposition, via. in the gen. after "from, after, from, even, until, where," in the dat. after "in," in the acc. after, to, at, according, with, for which constructions see these prepositions respectively.

a-2. Emphatically, a certain day, set day. Acts 17:31, "He hath appointed a day." Hebrews 4:7, "A certain day." 1 Corinthians 4:13.

a-3. Specifically, day of the Lord, when the Savior will return to judge the world and fully establish His kingdom, 1 Corinthians 1:8, "In the day of our Lord," collectively with verse 7, "Waiting for the coming of our Lord." 1 Corinthians 5:5. 2 Corinthians 1:14. 1 Thessalonians 5:2-4, "That day," collectively with verse 4:13. 2 Peter 3:10. Luke 17:24, "The Son of man be in His day," compare with verse 30, "The Son of man is revealed." Absolute, 1 Corinthians 3:13. So that day, the great day of judgment, Matthew 7:22. Mark 13:32. 2 Thessalonians 1:10. With a genitive of what is then to take place, as Matthew 10:15, 11:22-24. Compare Romans 2:16, "In the day when God shall judge," and Jude 6, "Unto the judgment of the great day." Also, Romans 2:5, "The day of wrath." Revelation 6:17. Ephesians 4:30, "Sealed unto the day of redemption." Further, John 6:39-40, "I will raise him up on the last day." So, in the construct, the day of God, by whose authority Christ sits as judge, 2 Peter 3:12. Once of Jehovah, Acts 2:20, "That great and notable day of the LORD," quoted from Joel 2:31, where Septuagint for Hebrew is the day of God's retribution in general; compare Joel 1:15. Isaiah 2:12, 13:6. Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3. Zephaniah 1:7-14. Also, Revelation 16:14, "That great day of God Almighty." Probably Hebrews 10:25, "The day approaching," compare with verses 27-31.

b. Day, day-light, from sunrise to sunset, as in antithesis with, "Day and night," as in genitive of time when by "Day and by night," Luke 18:7. Acts 9:24. Mark 5:5. 1 Thessalonians 2:9. Matt.4:2, "Forty days and forty nights, and so, night and day, as continually, incessantly, Mark 4:27. Luke 2:37. Acts 20:31, 26:7. Revelation 8:12, Simply, as the days, as during the day time, every day, Luke 21:37. So at mid-day, Acts 26:13, "At midday," day being come, when it was day, Luke 4:42. Acts 12:18, 16:35. The day declines, Luke 4:42. John 9:4, so long as it is day. John 11:9, Trope, for the light of true and higher knowledge, moral light, Romans 13:12. 1 Thessalonians 5:5-8, "Children of the day." 2 Peter 1:19.

c. Time, in general, nearly as singular of a point or period of time; Matthew 13:1, "The same day." John 14:20. Ephesians 6:13, Sequel to follow genitive of persons. Luke 19:42, "This thy day," in this thy time, whilst thou yet livest etc. So, John 8:56, "See my day," my time, the time of my manifestation. Seq. gen. of thing, as Luke 1:80, "Day of his shewing (manifestation.)" 2 Corinthians 6:2, "Day of salvation." Hebrews 3:8, "Day of temptation." 1 Peter 2:12, "Day of visitation." 2 Peter3:18, "Now and forever," as time eternal, forever.

d. From the Hebrew, plural, days, as in time.

d-1. Generally, Matthew 9:15, "The days will come." Mark 2:20, 13:20. Luke 17:22. Common form adjective, Acts 15:7, Acts 2:17, "In the last days." James 5:3, Acts 3:24, "of these days." Acts 11:27. Matthew 3:1, "In these days." Mark 13:24. Revelation 9:6. Also, Hebrews 10:32, 12:10. Sequel to follow genitive of persons Matthew 11:12. Luke 4:25, Acts 7:45, "Days of David." Sequel to follow genitive of an event, as Luke 2:6, "The days were accomplished." Acts 5:37, "Days of taxation." Hebrews 5:7. Matthew 24:38. Hebrew and Septuagint, "Those days," Exodus 2:11. Judges 18:1. 2 Samuel 21:1. 1 Kings 10:21. Jeremiah 1:2. Genesis 25:24.

d-2. Specially, the time of one's life, as one's days, years, age, life, as fully, Luke 1:75, "All the days of our life." Compare Genesis 47:8-9. Absolute, Luke 1:7, "Stricken in years," advanced in years, in age, and so verse 18. Luke 2:26, "See death." Generally, Hebrews 7:3. Septuagint and Hebrew, Genesis 6:3. Job 32:7. Genesis 24:1, "Stricken in age." Joshua 13:1.

Day: 3574. Greek is, nuchthemeron. A day and night, twenty-four hours, 2 Corinthians 11:25, "A night and a day." Found only in very late Greek writers.

Day: Day's: 4594. Greek is, semeron. Adverb, to-day, this day.

a. Past participle, Matthew 6:11, "Give us this day," with verse 30. Matthew 16:3, 21:28, 27:19. Mark 14:30. Luke 2:11, 5:26, 12:28, 19:5-9, 22:34, 23:43, 24:21. Acts 27:33. Hebrews 13:8. James 4:13. Luke 13:32-33, I must walk to day, and tomorrow, and the day following." Septuagint for Hebrew, Genesis 4:14, 40:7. Exodus 16:25. With the article as adjective, "This very day," Acts 19:40.

b. As at this time, now, Luke 4:21, "This day is the Scripture fulfilled." Acts 4:9, 13:33, 22:3, 24:21, 26:2-29. Hebrews 1:5, 3:7-13-15, 4:7, 5:5. 2 Corinthians 3:15, "Even unto this day." Septuagint and Hebrew, "In that day," Deuteronomy 1:39. 1 Samuel 12:17. Acts 20:26, "I will take you to record this day." So, 2 Corinthians 3:14. Matthew 11:23, 28:15, Matthew 27:8. Romans 11:8, unto this day, as until the present time, until now.

Continued on next post.

Day: 5610. The word day has more than one meaning. We must first examine the context of the preceding verses in order to give the word its proper meaning.

A. It could mean an indefinite period of time. Isaiah 34:8, "For it is the day of the LORD'S vengeance."

B. It is a symbol for the light of a true and higher knowledge and moral light. Romans 13:12, "The night is far spent = (evil is coming to an end) the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness and let us put on the armor of light." 1 Thessalonians 5:5, "Ye are the children (sons) of light, and the children of the day (knowledge and the understanding concerning the Lord Jesus Christ)."

C. A very specific period of time. 1 Corinthians 1:7-8, "Waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day = (a very specified time) of our Lord Jesus Christ." Example,

Day: 5610. Greek is hora. Whence Latin "hora." English, hour, pp. a time, season, a definite space or division of time recurring at fixed intervals, as marked by natural or conventional limits, as in a season of the year. Trop. of a season of life, the fresh full bloom and beauty of youth, the ripeness and vigor of manhood, as bloom, beauty, vigor. In N.T. of shorter intervals, a time, season, hour, etc.

a. Of the day generally, daytime, day; Matthew 14:15, "And the time is now past." Mark 6:35. And when the day was now far spent." Mark 11:11, "Now the eventide was come."

b. Of a definite part or division of the day; in earlier writers used only of the greater divisions, as morning, noon, evening, night. Or also morning noon, and evening. In N.T. An hour, one of the twelve equal parts into which the natural day and also the night were divided, and which of course were of different lengths at different seasons of the year; prob. introduced by astronomers, and first so used by Hipparchus about 140 B.C.

b-1. Past particle and generally, Matthew 24:36, "Of that day and hour knoweth no man." Mark 13:32. Luke 22:59. John 4:52, "At the seventh hour." John 11:9, "Are there not twelve hours in the day?" Acts 5:7, "Space of three hours." Acts 10:30, "At the ninth hour." Revelation 9:15. Dative, common form "in," of time when: Matthew 8:13, "In the selfsame hour." Matthew 24:50. Luke 12:46. John 4:53. Accusative of time how long; Matthew 20:12, "But one hour." Matthew 26:40, "Could ye not watch with me one hour?" Mark 14:37. Acts 19:34, "The space of two hours." With a numeral marking the hour of the day, as counted from sunrise; Matthew 20:3, "About the third hour." with verses 2-6-9, 27:45, "Now from the sixth hour --- unto the ninth hour," with verse 46. Mark 15:25-33-34. Luke 23:44. John 1:40, 4:6-52, 19:14, "The sixth hour." Acts 2:15, "The third hour." Acts 3:1, "At the hour of prayer." Acts 10:3-9-30. So, of the hours of the night, as counted from sunset; Acts 16:33, "The same hour of the night." Acts 23:23, "At the third hour of the night."

b-2. Trope, as a short time, a brief interval, as accommodation, Revelation 17:12, "One hour." Dative, Revelation 18:10-17-19. John 5:35. 2 Corinthians7:8. Galatians 2:5. Philemon 15, "For a season." 1 Thessalonians 2:17, "For a short time."

c. Metonymically, and generally, hour, as in time, period, spoken of any definite point of space of time.

c-1. With adjuncts; as an adjective or pronoun, Matthew 9:22, "For that hour." Matthew 15:28, 17:18. John 19:27. Dative of time when Luke 2:38, "In that instant." Luke 24:33. Acts 16:18, 22:13. Matthew 24:42-44, "Such an hour." Luke 12:39-40. Septuagint, Daniel 3:6-15, "The same hour." Luke 7:21, 10:21, 12:12, 20:19. Matthew 10:19, "The same hour. Matthew 18:1, 26:55. Mark 13:11. Revelation 11:13. So, Revelation 3:3. 1 Corinthians 4:11, "The present hour." 1 Corinthians 15:30, "Every hour?" all the time. Septuagint for Hebrew, Exodus 18:22-26, "All season." With an adverb or relative etc. John 4:21, "The hour cometh." with verse 23. John 5:25-28, 16:25, "The time cometh." So common form "that," 13:1, 16:2-32. Sequel to follow genitive of thing to be done or to happen; Luke 1:10, collectively, Septuagint, Daniel 9:21, "About the time of the evening oblation." Luke 14:17, "At supper time," the time of the supper or feast. Revelation 3:10, 14:7-15. Implied, Luke 22:14. Common form inferred, Romans 13:11, "Knowing the time." Common form genitive, Septuagint for Hebrew, 2 Samuel 24:15, "Even to the time." Daniel 9:21. Common form inferred, Septuagint, Genesis 29:7, "Neither is it time." Sequel to follow genitive of person, one's time, as appointed to him, in which he is to do or suffer, Luke 22:53. John 16:21; elsewhere of Christ, John 2:4, 7:30, 8:20, 13:1.

c-2. Simply, the time, as spoken of, or otherwise understood; Matthew 26:45, "The hour is at hand." Mark 14:41. John 16:4. 1 John 2:18. Emphatic, John 17:1; and so, by implication, time or hour of trial, sorrow, suffering, Mark 14:35. John 12:27.

To begin with, Satan is the Antichrist, the dragon of old.

Come on salahsays, you have to know better than that. Revelation 13:4, "And they (disciples of the devil) worshipped the dragon (Satan) which gave (authority) unto the beast." Two entities, the devil and the antichrist.

I have 25 volumes of The Expositor’s Bible in front of me, published in 1900, unabridged. Most everything in this one book concerning Daniel 9 and 12 mirrors what all of you people on this forum are writing. One of our advantages today is that men like Matthew Henry, Adam Clark, Jamieson, Keil, Von Lengerke, Hitzig, Nicoll, and even Josephus, Israel, exist today. The Jews had been written off by almost all theologians and commentators before 1948. Much of the material they use comes from the book of the Maccabees.

As far as Antiochus, who most of you are stuck on, he was a pip-squeak next to Jew-haters like Hitler, Himmler, Stalin, and the Ayatollahs’. By the way, God had already abandoned the Temple he had desecrated.

Jerome gives nine different interpretations and makes no decision of his own. He said, “Is it necessary, after an inquiry inevitably tedious, and of little or no spiritual profit of significance, to enter further into the intolerably interminably perplexed and voluminous discussions as to the beginning, and ending, and the exactitude of the seventy weeks.”

“No two commentators can agree as to details; or even as to any fixed principles by which they profess to determine the date at which the period of seventy weeks is to begin or is to end, or whether they are not purely symbolical; so as to have no reference to any chronological indications---------.”

“There is not even an initial agreement – or even the data as to an agreement whether the years to be counted are solar, lunar, mystic, or Sabbath years. Jewish interpreters differ from one another as widely as the Christians. Even the early fathers of the church were hopelessly at sea in their application methods.

All attempts to refer to the prophecy of the 70 weeks primarily or directly to Christ’s coming and death or the Temple’s desolation by Titus can only be supported by immense manipulations and by hypotheses so crudely impossible that they would have made the prophecy practically meaningless. Their fundamental disagreements prove the hopelessness of this attempt by the so-called “orthodox” interpreters.

Concerning the seventy weeks, “Seventy weeks (490 years) will elapse before any perfect deliverance comes. Not until the four hundred and ninety years have ended will the time have come to complete the prophecy.

The devil IS the Antichrist; The dragon IS the devil. Satan has many names. So let me ask you…. What happens at the 5th trumpet? Come on now; you should know these things.

John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth because there is no truth in him, When he spaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."

@10-22-27 Do you know who the devil is? The devil is Satan, and he goes by many names:
Revelation12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world;" In the Garden of Eden Satan was called the "old serpent, and the tree of good and evil”

1. Why have you quoted John 8:44? I thought this conversation concerned two entities, the devel and the antichrist. Not unless you mean there is no one individual that's the antichrist.
2. Give me the verse you're referring to concerning this 5th trumpet.

Okay, I get your meaning. You're saying everybody who rejects Christ is an antichrist, to this I agree. But to say Revelation 13 is speaking about the devil, and not a man is nonsense. It's not even worth commenting about. If that's what you believe, you're calling every major theologian who has studied these things over the past 1700 years, ignorant! That's the best way I can say it, sorry!

I just pulled this off of the Jehovah's Witnesses website. Because they do not believe in the Holy Spirit, this is what they teach about the antichrist.

John mentioned “many antichrists,” indicating that the antichrist is, not an individual, but a collective term. People or organizations making up the antichrist spread lies, deny that Jesus is the Christ, or the Messiah, and try to distort the relationship between God and His Son, Jesus Christ. Those who make up the antichrist claim to be Christ or his representatives, but since “they went out from us,” they deviated from true Bible teachings. Furthermore, this group was present at the time when John wrote his letter, in “the last hour,” presumably the end of the time of the apostles."

Nope, you don't get what I'm saying at all, and you're not even close to understanding. Maybe you should start reading the Bible verse by verse and chapter by chapter instead of hopping about. Consider using some excellent commentaries and study materials. I simply hope that, because a lot of new Christians are reading, you would think about what you're posting.

Well, it may not be my understanding, it may be the way you explain yourself, respectfully!

Here's what you wrote, "To begin with, Satan is the Antichrist, the dragon of old."

That's what I responded to. You're as wrong as wrong can be. So, let's drop it there.

What’s so complicated about what I wrote (which is true)?

I will ask one more time, most everyone on this form has said the antichrist will be a Jew. So again, I ask, "If the antichrist is a Jew, are you then saying he, as a Jew is going to make a covenant with the Jews?

If so, what will the covenant be?

You do waffle (British meaning) a lot!