Would Jesus drink Alcohol?
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Sadly, Mom passed last year, and Dad is no longer capable of functioning. My dear wife is keen on trying Mom's recipe though... both parts. 
I just thought it would be a good idea to have a good old knees up 😊
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Wow...this whole discussion screams the age old topic of legalism. How far can we divide ourselves on this topic.
I remember meeting this fella that was what I call a hyper Calvinist. He believed that every word that he spoke and every thing that he did after being saved was directly ordained of God and therefore he could not sin. Oh yes he quoted scripture to attempt to prove his point. And of course if you didn't agree with him then you were not truly saved.
Sigggggghhhh......
I remember meeting this fella that was what I call a hyper Calvinist. He believed that every word that he spoke and every thing that he did after being saved was directly ordained of God and therefore he could not sin. Oh yes he quoted scripture to attempt to prove his point. And of course if you didn't agree with him then you were not truly saved.
Sigggggghhhh......
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Matthew 11:19 KJV — The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber.....
They could not have called Jesus a wine bibber which means a drunkard unless they saw him drinking wine that you could get drunk from. Jesus said of himself that he came eating and drinking. From the rest of this passage we understand that he was drinking wine that was fermented. So we have salad scriptural evidence that Jesus drank wine.
Jesus definitely drink fermented wine. But he did not get drunk from fermented wine. He drinking moderation from his youth up. Is all Jews in his time frame drink wine!
They could not have called Jesus a wine bibber which means a drunkard unless they saw him drinking wine that you could get drunk from. Jesus said of himself that he came eating and drinking. From the rest of this passage we understand that he was drinking wine that was fermented. So we have salad scriptural evidence that Jesus drank wine.
Jesus definitely drink fermented wine. But he did not get drunk from fermented wine. He drinking moderation from his youth up. Is all Jews in his time frame drink wine!
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Matthew 11:19 KJV — The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber.....
They could not have called Jesus a wine bibber, which means a drunkard, unless they saw him drinking wine that you could get drunk from. Jesus said of himself that he came eating and drinking. From the rest of this passage we understand that he was drinking wine that was fermented. So we have solid scriptural evidence that Jesus drank wine.
Jesus definitely drink fermented wine. But he did not get drunk from fermented wine. He drinking moderation from his youth up. Is all Jews in his time frame drink wine!
They could not have called Jesus a wine bibber, which means a drunkard, unless they saw him drinking wine that you could get drunk from. Jesus said of himself that he came eating and drinking. From the rest of this passage we understand that he was drinking wine that was fermented. So we have solid scriptural evidence that Jesus drank wine.
Jesus definitely drink fermented wine. But he did not get drunk from fermented wine. He drinking moderation from his youth up. Is all Jews in his time frame drink wine!
Matthew 11:19 KJV — The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber.....
They could not have called Jesus a wine bibber, which means a drunkard, unless they saw him drinking wine that you could get drunk from. Jesus said of himself that he came eating and drinking. From the rest of this passage we understand that he was drinking wine that was fermented. So we have solid scriptural evidence that Jesus drank wine.
Jesus definitely drink fermented wine. But he did not get drunk from fermented wine. He drank in moderation from his youth up. As all Jews in his time frame drink wine from their youth up.
Another thing is is that the water in Israel was not good to drink. So they mixed their water with wine in order to purify the water some.
The apostle Paul told Timothy to drink no longer water only, but drink a little wine for his stomach's sake in his often infirmities.
There's nothing wrong with drinking alcohol and moderation. There is something wrong with getting drunk! There is something wrong with being addicted to getting drunk! But in the case of Jesus and the apostles they drink without getting drunk!
They could not have called Jesus a wine bibber, which means a drunkard, unless they saw him drinking wine that you could get drunk from. Jesus said of himself that he came eating and drinking. From the rest of this passage we understand that he was drinking wine that was fermented. So we have solid scriptural evidence that Jesus drank wine.
Jesus definitely drink fermented wine. But he did not get drunk from fermented wine. He drank in moderation from his youth up. As all Jews in his time frame drink wine from their youth up.
Another thing is is that the water in Israel was not good to drink. So they mixed their water with wine in order to purify the water some.
The apostle Paul told Timothy to drink no longer water only, but drink a little wine for his stomach's sake in his often infirmities.
There's nothing wrong with drinking alcohol and moderation. There is something wrong with getting drunk! There is something wrong with being addicted to getting drunk! But in the case of Jesus and the apostles they drink without getting drunk!
I can't figure out how to delete the previous post that I made. When I make my text it says one thing. But after it's posted I see it saying something else. So I try to fix it. And repost it. But then the new post often has problems with it that I didn't create either. So please excuse the grammar problems! They are the result of something going on that I have no control over.
There is a five minute edit window. After that, what you see is what you get. Many don't like it,
but really it just means one must carefully proofread. If you are posting from a phone with
auto correct, that will add to the problem! I find posting from my phone to be a hassle.
Posts can only be deleted within the first five minutes, also.
Welcome!
Happy New Year 2024
but really it just means one must carefully proofread. If you are posting from a phone with
auto correct, that will add to the problem! I find posting from my phone to be a hassle.
Posts can only be deleted within the first five minutes, also.
Welcome!
Happy New Year 2024
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Would Jesus eat yogurt?
Both wine and yogurt are the result of fermentation... Yogurt produces a tiny amount of alcohol in becoming yogurt.
Wine in Jesus day was made in goatskins to expand due to the fermentation.
In later years men learned to add sugars to the fermenting grapes to raise up the alcohol content.
In Jesus day it took more wine to get drunk than it does with today's commercially produced 'induced' fermentation.
And, the fermentation in ancient wine was good for one's gut health and heart.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2213453023000083
The Bible never condemns drinking wine.
What it does condemn, is getting inebriated.
If drinking real wine were a sin?
There could be no Passover celebration with the Seder meal.
Why four cups of wine by the seder?
grace and peace!
Both wine and yogurt are the result of fermentation... Yogurt produces a tiny amount of alcohol in becoming yogurt.
Wine in Jesus day was made in goatskins to expand due to the fermentation.
In later years men learned to add sugars to the fermenting grapes to raise up the alcohol content.
In Jesus day it took more wine to get drunk than it does with today's commercially produced 'induced' fermentation.
And, the fermentation in ancient wine was good for one's gut health and heart.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2213453023000083
The Bible never condemns drinking wine.
What it does condemn, is getting inebriated.
If drinking real wine were a sin?
There could be no Passover celebration with the Seder meal.
Why four cups of wine by the seder?
grace and peace!
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op: Jesus drank alcohol?
Precious friends, the only question I see?:
If the Precious Body Of The Lord Jesus is to be represented by UNleavened
bread, then Why would the Precious BLOOD be represented by
.................................................... .... ? ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ?
....................................................'old' alcoholic wine
Should it not be by "new wine" Fresh "fruit of the vine" before "it turns"???
Eh?
Amen.
Precious friends, the only question I see?:
If the Precious Body Of The Lord Jesus is to be represented by UNleavened
bread, then Why would the Precious BLOOD be represented by
.................................................... .... ? ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ?
....................................................'old' alcoholic wine
Should it not be by "new wine" Fresh "fruit of the vine" before "it turns"???
Eh?
Amen.
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The leaven of grains is prohibited for the Passover. It is not the same fermentation that Bible approves of for grape wine.
Chametz includes grains like wheat, oats, rye, barley and spelt, which are prohibited if they've had contact with water/moisture for longer than 18 minutes, leading to rising or “leavening.” Leavening agents, like yeast and sourdough, are also considered chametz."
Chametz forbidden
And, here is another Rabbi's official statement..
Why is it permitted to drink wine on Passover when it is fermented with yeast?
Jesus served WINE at the Last Supper.
And, as a Jewish boy when we celebrated the Passover, I was always given kosher wine for the Passover Seder.
grace and peace....
Chametz includes grains like wheat, oats, rye, barley and spelt, which are prohibited if they've had contact with water/moisture for longer than 18 minutes, leading to rising or “leavening.” Leavening agents, like yeast and sourdough, are also considered chametz."
Chametz forbidden
And, here is another Rabbi's official statement..
Why is it permitted to drink wine on Passover when it is fermented with yeast?
Jesus served WINE at the Last Supper.
And, as a Jewish boy when we celebrated the Passover, I was always given kosher wine for the Passover Seder.
grace and peace....
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I once ran into someone like him. I called his Mom and spoke to his roommate to conpile a list of his sins. He broke all 13 suggestions. Next time I ran into him I handed him the list. He has avoided me since then. So, send a good looking lady his way to see how he talks to her. Before I got married the maid of honor sent a supermodel my way to see how I would handle her asking me up to her apartment for sex. I told her to call my wife to be and laughed alot.
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My guess he is quoting John, so let's let John correct him.
1 John 1:8-10
Easy-to-Read Version
8 If we say that we have no sin, we are fooling ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 But if we confess our sins, God will forgive us. We can trust God to do this. He always does what is right. He will make us clean from all the wrong things we have done. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we are saying that God is a liar and that we don’t accept his true teaching.
1 John 1:8-10
Amplified Bible
8 If we say we have no sin [refusing to admit that we are sinners], we delude ourselves and the truth is not in us. [His word does not live in our hearts.] 9 If we [freely] admit that we have sinned and confess our sins, He is faithful and just [true to His own nature and promises], and will forgive our sins and cleanse us continually from all unrighteousness [our wrongdoing, everything not in conformity with His will and purpose]. 10 If we say that we have not sinned [refusing to admit acts of sin], we make Him [out to be] a liar [by contradicting Him] and His word is not in us.
1 John 1:8-10
Easy-to-Read Version
8 If we say that we have no sin, we are fooling ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 But if we confess our sins, God will forgive us. We can trust God to do this. He always does what is right. He will make us clean from all the wrong things we have done. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we are saying that God is a liar and that we don’t accept his true teaching.
1 John 1:8-10
Amplified Bible
8 If we say we have no sin [refusing to admit that we are sinners], we delude ourselves and the truth is not in us. [His word does not live in our hearts.] 9 If we [freely] admit that we have sinned and confess our sins, He is faithful and just [true to His own nature and promises], and will forgive our sins and cleanse us continually from all unrighteousness [our wrongdoing, everything not in conformity with His will and purpose]. 10 If we say that we have not sinned [refusing to admit acts of sin], we make Him [out to be] a liar [by contradicting Him] and His word is not in us.
1 John 3
Easy-to-Read Version
We Are God’s Children
3 The Father has loved us so much! This shows how much he loved us: We are called children of God. And we really are his children. But the people in the world don’t understand that we are God’s children, because they have not known him. 2 Dear friends, now we are children of God. We have not yet been shown what we will be in the future. But we know that when Christ comes again, we will be like him. We will see him just as he is. 3 He is pure, and everyone who has this hope in him keeps themselves pure like Christ.
4 Anyone who sins breaks God’s law. Yes, sinning is the same as living against God’s law. 5 You know that Christ came to take away people’s sins. There is no sin in Christ. 6 So whoever lives in Christ does not continue to sin. If they continue to sin, they have never really understood Christ and have never known him.
7 Dear children, don’t let anyone lead you into the wrong way. Christ always did what was right. So to be good like Christ, you must do what is right. 8 The devil has been sinning since the beginning. Anyone who continues to sin belongs to the devil. The Son of God came for this: to destroy the devil’s work.
9 Those who are God’s children do not continue to sin, because the new life God gave them[a] stays in them. They cannot keep sinning, because they have become children of God. 10 So we can see who God’s children are and who the devil’s children are. These are the ones who are not God’s children: those who don’t do what is right and those who do not love their brothers and sisters in God’s family.
We Must Love One Another
11 This is the teaching you have heard from the beginning: We must love each other. 12 Don’t be like Cain. He belonged to the Evil One. Cain killed his brother. But why did he kill him? Because what Cain did was evil, and what his brother did was good.
13 Brothers and sisters, don’t be surprised when the people of this world hate you. 14 We know that we have left death and have come into life. We know this because we love each other as brothers and sisters. Anyone who does not love is still in death. 15 Anyone who hates a fellow believer is a murderer. And you know that no murderer has eternal life.
16 This is how we know what real love is: Jesus gave his life for us. So we should give our lives for each other as brothers and sisters. 17 Suppose a believer who is rich enough to have all the necessities of life sees a fellow believer who is poor and does not have even basic needs. What if the rich believer does not help the poor one? Then it is clear that God’s love is not in that person’s heart. 18 My children, our love should not be only words and talk. No, our love must be real. We must show our love by the things we do.
19-20 That’s how we know we belong to the way of truth. And when our hearts make us feel guilty, we can still have peace before God, because God is greater than our hearts. He knows everything.
21 My dear friends, if we don’t feel that we are doing wrong, we can be without fear when we come to God. 22 And God gives us what we ask for. We receive it because we obey God’s commands and do what pleases him. 23 This is what God commands: that we believe in his Son Jesus Christ, and that we love each other as he commanded. 24 All who obey God’s commands live in God. And God lives in them. How do we know that God lives in us? We know because of the Spirit he gave us.
Footnotes
Easy-to-Read Version
We Are God’s Children
3 The Father has loved us so much! This shows how much he loved us: We are called children of God. And we really are his children. But the people in the world don’t understand that we are God’s children, because they have not known him. 2 Dear friends, now we are children of God. We have not yet been shown what we will be in the future. But we know that when Christ comes again, we will be like him. We will see him just as he is. 3 He is pure, and everyone who has this hope in him keeps themselves pure like Christ.
4 Anyone who sins breaks God’s law. Yes, sinning is the same as living against God’s law. 5 You know that Christ came to take away people’s sins. There is no sin in Christ. 6 So whoever lives in Christ does not continue to sin. If they continue to sin, they have never really understood Christ and have never known him.
7 Dear children, don’t let anyone lead you into the wrong way. Christ always did what was right. So to be good like Christ, you must do what is right. 8 The devil has been sinning since the beginning. Anyone who continues to sin belongs to the devil. The Son of God came for this: to destroy the devil’s work.
9 Those who are God’s children do not continue to sin, because the new life God gave them[a] stays in them. They cannot keep sinning, because they have become children of God. 10 So we can see who God’s children are and who the devil’s children are. These are the ones who are not God’s children: those who don’t do what is right and those who do not love their brothers and sisters in God’s family.
We Must Love One Another
11 This is the teaching you have heard from the beginning: We must love each other. 12 Don’t be like Cain. He belonged to the Evil One. Cain killed his brother. But why did he kill him? Because what Cain did was evil, and what his brother did was good.
13 Brothers and sisters, don’t be surprised when the people of this world hate you. 14 We know that we have left death and have come into life. We know this because we love each other as brothers and sisters. Anyone who does not love is still in death. 15 Anyone who hates a fellow believer is a murderer. And you know that no murderer has eternal life.
16 This is how we know what real love is: Jesus gave his life for us. So we should give our lives for each other as brothers and sisters. 17 Suppose a believer who is rich enough to have all the necessities of life sees a fellow believer who is poor and does not have even basic needs. What if the rich believer does not help the poor one? Then it is clear that God’s love is not in that person’s heart. 18 My children, our love should not be only words and talk. No, our love must be real. We must show our love by the things we do.
19-20 That’s how we know we belong to the way of truth. And when our hearts make us feel guilty, we can still have peace before God, because God is greater than our hearts. He knows everything.
21 My dear friends, if we don’t feel that we are doing wrong, we can be without fear when we come to God. 22 And God gives us what we ask for. We receive it because we obey God’s commands and do what pleases him. 23 This is what God commands: that we believe in his Son Jesus Christ, and that we love each other as he commanded. 24 All who obey God’s commands live in God. And God lives in them. How do we know that God lives in us? We know because of the Spirit he gave us.
Footnotes
- 1 John 3:9 the new life God gave them Literally, “his seed.”
- 1 John 3:15 Anyone … murderer Those who hate someone have in their mind the same motive that causes murder. So, morally, hating is equal to murder. Jesus taught his followers about this sin. See Mt. 5:21-26.
1 John 5
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God’s Children Win Against the World
5 The people who believe that Jesus is the Messiah are God’s children. Anyone who loves the Father also loves the Father’s children. 2 How do we know that we love God’s children? We know because we love God and we obey his commands. 3 Loving God means obeying his commands. And God’s commands are not too hard for us, 4 because everyone who is a child of God has the power to win against the world. 5 It is our faith that has won the victory against the world. So who wins against the world? Only those who believe that Jesus is the Son of God.
God Told Us About His Son
6 Jesus Christ is the one who came. He came with water and with blood.[a] He did not come by water only. No, Jesus came by both water and blood. And the Spirit tells us that this is true. The Spirit is the truth. 7 So there are three witnesses that tell us about Jesus: 8 the Spirit, the water, and the blood. These three witnesses agree.
9 We believe people when they say something is true. But what God says is more important. And this is what God told us: He told us the truth about his own Son. 10 Whoever believes in the Son of God has the truth that God told us. But people who do not believe God make God a liar, because they do not believe what God told us about his Son. 11 This is what God told us: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 Whoever has the Son has life, but whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.
We Have Eternal Life Now
13 I write this letter to you who believe in the Son of God. I write so that you will know that you have eternal life now. 14 We can come to God with no doubts. This means that when we ask God for things (and those things agree with what God wants for us), God cares about what we say. 15 He listens to us every time we ask him. So we know that he gives us whatever we ask from him.
16 Suppose you see your fellow believer sinning (sin that does not lead to eternal death). You should pray for them. Then God will give them life. I am talking about people whose sin does not lead to eternal death. There is sin that leads to death. I don’t mean that you should pray about that kind of sin. 17 Doing wrong is always sin. But there is sin that does not lead to eternal death.
18 We know that those who have been made God’s children do not continue to sin. The Son of God keeps them safe. The Evil One cannot hurt them. 19 We know that we belong to God, but the Evil One controls the whole world. 20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding. So now we can know the one who is true, and we live in that true God. We are in his Son, Jesus Christ. He is the true God, and he is eternal life. 21 So, dear children, keep yourselves away from false gods.
Footnotes
Easy-to-Read Version
God’s Children Win Against the World
5 The people who believe that Jesus is the Messiah are God’s children. Anyone who loves the Father also loves the Father’s children. 2 How do we know that we love God’s children? We know because we love God and we obey his commands. 3 Loving God means obeying his commands. And God’s commands are not too hard for us, 4 because everyone who is a child of God has the power to win against the world. 5 It is our faith that has won the victory against the world. So who wins against the world? Only those who believe that Jesus is the Son of God.
God Told Us About His Son
6 Jesus Christ is the one who came. He came with water and with blood.[a] He did not come by water only. No, Jesus came by both water and blood. And the Spirit tells us that this is true. The Spirit is the truth. 7 So there are three witnesses that tell us about Jesus: 8 the Spirit, the water, and the blood. These three witnesses agree.
9 We believe people when they say something is true. But what God says is more important. And this is what God told us: He told us the truth about his own Son. 10 Whoever believes in the Son of God has the truth that God told us. But people who do not believe God make God a liar, because they do not believe what God told us about his Son. 11 This is what God told us: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 Whoever has the Son has life, but whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.
We Have Eternal Life Now
13 I write this letter to you who believe in the Son of God. I write so that you will know that you have eternal life now. 14 We can come to God with no doubts. This means that when we ask God for things (and those things agree with what God wants for us), God cares about what we say. 15 He listens to us every time we ask him. So we know that he gives us whatever we ask from him.
16 Suppose you see your fellow believer sinning (sin that does not lead to eternal death). You should pray for them. Then God will give them life. I am talking about people whose sin does not lead to eternal death. There is sin that leads to death. I don’t mean that you should pray about that kind of sin. 17 Doing wrong is always sin. But there is sin that does not lead to eternal death.
18 We know that those who have been made God’s children do not continue to sin. The Son of God keeps them safe. The Evil One cannot hurt them. 19 We know that we belong to God, but the Evil One controls the whole world. 20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding. So now we can know the one who is true, and we live in that true God. We are in his Son, Jesus Christ. He is the true God, and he is eternal life. 21 So, dear children, keep yourselves away from false gods.
Footnotes
- 1 John 5:6 water, blood Probably meaning the water of Jesus’ baptism and the blood he shed on the cross.
- 1 John 5:18 The Son … safe Literally, “The one who was born from God keeps him safe” or “… keeps himself safe.”
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