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Is not the seventh trump ,the last trump in the bible a heavenly Trump seeing the temple In heaven opens at that time ?

Revelation 11
19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Numbers 10
3 And when they shall blow with them, all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.

Lol yeah if a person thought exactly as you do I’m sure we’d come to the same conclusion

revelation is an apocalypse it’s not a literal timeline for the future it’s an apocalyptic vision based on prior prophecy like this

We are supposed to have already heard this vision

“and said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof: and two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.

….Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof? Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.”
‭‭Zechariah‬ ‭4:2-3, 11, 14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

were supposed to have heard the gospel before

“……and he was transfigured before them.

And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them. And there appeared unto them Elijah with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭9:2-4, 7-8‬ ‭

we’re supposed to have heard also about Elijah who had the power to shut up the rain during his ministry and Moses who turned water to blood struck the earth with several plagues during his ministry

“And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, ( 3.5 years ) clothed in sackcloth.

These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

…These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: ( Elijah ) and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, ( Moses ) as often as they will.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:3-4, 6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Elijah was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.
‭‭James‬ ‭5:17‬ ‭

because we’ve heard the rest of the scriptire and what it said when we read revelation we can understand what’s happening in the apocalyptic vision

It isnt like an epistle or factual historical account of literal events all of its symbology is based on thats said in the Old Testament and gospel it’s designed that way so we can undersrsnd it by just sticking with what’s written and do t have to try to insert any meanings of anything

Paul McCartney paid to make it not rain on a concert of his.Theres no need to pray to stop the heavens from raining .All the son of perdition's armed forces need to do is seed the clouds.Everything the two witnesses do a christian in the son of perdition's armed forces can do.

i see we’ll this is wasting our time so I’ll let you have that last word

The 7th trumpet is the last of 7 trumpet judgements. The rapture/resurrection is not a judgement.

That's right. It is the CULMINATION of salvation, which we know is justification, followed by sanctification, followed by glorification. The trumpet judgments are for damnation. So how do so many people choose to confuse themselves?

Yes,they are and the word of God says this is when they are judged.Both good and bad.Those who are judged to be good are rewarded by their past deeds .Those who are bad are judged by their past deeds as well.
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18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


The Time of the dead in the above verse is when the dead are raised.Same resurrection as
Daniel 12:2
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

The rapture/resurrection event is not one of the 7 trumpet judgments. You are misunderstanding Revelation 11:18.

The 7th trumpet judgment is the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth. The third woe is Satan cast down to earth, Revelation 12:12.

So your saying God will not reward the prophets and saints at the sound of the seventh Trump like he says and will instead leave them.in their graves?
Is that what your saying God says in this verse?

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

“but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭10:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“if ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: how that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; that the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭3:2-3, 5-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, (which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, and said unto them, Thus it is written, ( in the ot scriptures )

and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

And ye are witnesses of these things.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:44-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Revelation 10:7
But in the days when the seventh angel is about to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished, just as he announced to his servants the prophets.”



1 corinth 15:51-52

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


Revelation 11:18
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Do you understand what the blowing of a trump means in scripture what it was for in the ot ?

those trumpet blasts in revelation aren’t actually a literal trumpet blast ot means something when a trumpet was blown it had a purpose

Nothing in the book of revelation is literal it’s an apocalypse

The epistle is literal revelation isnt those seven trumpets are significant

So you are saying people won't die anymore at the sound of the seventh trumpet third woe judgment ?

The rapture/resurrection is a not a judgment. It is the greatest thing that can happen to a person. This corruptible puts on incorruptible, this mortal put on immortality.

This trumpet blast sure sounds like it has great purpose.

Revelation 11:18
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

No. The dead who are raised in this verse do not die again.They do not suffer a second death.The people destroyed at this time will not live again.


Revelation 11:18
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.



Keep in mind,these are prophets of God and saints who are being rewarded and many of them died for their testimony of Jesus and who had not worshiped the beast or it's image

yeah it does have a purpose

“And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬



When I told you you should look in the Old Testament you’d find they have a purpose revolving around the ark of the testament you see at the conclusion of the vision but I don’t think your the kind of person who would look into it so lol nevertheless the judgement that was about to arrive in the world with the son of man

“Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬

That’s why when the angel sounds you see this vision of Israel expecting the messiah and him being caught up to the throne

“And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: ( joespehs dream of Israel before the captivity in Egypt ) and she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. ( god told them for hundreds of years the messiah king would be born in Israel so she was expecting to give birth ) And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: ( psalm 2 the messiah king of all creation )

and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”( Jesus was taken up into heaven to gods throne where he rules )
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:1-2, 5‬ ‭KJV‬‬


The seventh trumpets have really clear meaning in the ot you should look into thier purpose it would make more sense

You seem to have missed much of what takes place when the seventh Trump sounds.
It is the time of the dead and the prophets and saints who have died are rewarded.

You really should pay attention to what the scripture is saying for that particular Trump.
Here it is again.Dont stop reading.

Revelation 11

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.






It's not everyday the prophets and saints who have died are rewarded for their deeds.

“But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:2, 15-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

what actually is happening there ? Something is being announced in heaven

then you begin to see that mystery that was announced earlier would happen ( when the seventh angel began to sound ) this next vision will fulfill the announcement just made by the seventh trumpet about the kingdom and Christ in heaven and also gods wrath that’s foretold in tbe it upon the earth would begin to progress

“And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. ( Jesus after his resurrection)

( now something is actually happening in heaven they aren’t just announcing something it’s happening )
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

( now another announcement saying it’s been fulfilled )

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them.


Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

….And the dragon ( on earth ) was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:5, 7-12, 17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Now we’re seeing the gospel promises by the prophets being fulfilled the son of man is born to Israel and overcomes satan trying to destroy him and then is caught up to God and his throne .

This is a trumpet warning from the ot an announcement to gods people that somthing major is about to happen and it tells us what

“the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever”

Chapter twelve is showing us how it was fulfilled so we see after Jesus is born and taken up to Gods throne satan is ejected forever from heaven and now what they announced is beginning to happen foret in heaven later in the end of revelation also on earth

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ:

That’s when the heavenly kingdom is established with Christ as king revelation 20 and then 21 is about the dead being judged that’s when that part is fulfilled …… as it was announced by seventh trumpet also but it hadn’t actually happened if you notice just like chrirt hadn’t yet began to rule it was announcing it it’s a figure for prophecy that was announcing e messiah and his kingdom beforehand and warning then to repent

It’s an announcement of what’s going to happen in the rest of the book …..it actually happens in chapter 20

Dont stop reading.

Revelation 11

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying,…..

“The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.”

And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.”


They are just saying something because the purpose of a tru pet being sounded was to announce something to Gods people lol

At he next chapter is when that announcement is taking place 😂
“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The dead are raised up and judged here

“And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:11-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬


The ot prophets and saints who were dead probably here in the same time period I’m telling you

“And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27:51-53‬ ‭KJV‬‬

All that happens is an announcement is made then you see how it’s being fulfilled later in the next chapter and rest of the book until you get to the jidgement

It’s progressively revealed it’s an apacolypse not a literal timeline of events

“And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; and the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; and said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭6:12-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.”( this happens throughout the rest of the book till you arrive here )
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11:18‬ ‭

“And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged ( no one’s announcing anything it’s happening now ) out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:12-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

then the rewards come to pass as his promises culminate

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s okay if we don t see it the same but aren’t you getting tired at just going in circles ? I sure am it’s not the end of the world if we disagree …I’m totally fine with it