TEMPLE......TO BE OR NOT TO BE....THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!

the word preterist was only invented in 1840 so how could you call someone a preterist in 1554

Educated folk spoke Latin, way before the Oxford Dictionary was first published. Your 1500 years behind with that Englander book.

The term Preterism comes from the Latin Praeter which is a prefix denoting that something is 'past' or 'beyond'.[1]
(wiki.Preterism)

It was translated in the 1800's, not invented.

And it will be a man's temple and not what was described in scripture as His "Holy Place". God didn't command them to build a thing, nevermind the complete insult to Jesus it would be. The temples whole purpose was to point to Jesus, and that purpose was fulfilled. The temple served it's purpose and was removed in Gods judgment at the end of that age exactly as Jesus said it would be. It's honestly amazing and a huge testament to His power and glory. What they're planning is 1000% NOT Gods temple.

same thing it was invented by a futurist who wanted to aid the work of the devil and have Christians cut of for blasphemy.

I don't see the word preterist being used against anyone else do you.

It's a word only used against people believing the Messiah has already returned.

You know he returns in people life's who get saved doesn't he

Could you see the devil calling such a person a preterist for that ?

@cv5 and @douggg I found your prophecy 😋

Preterism is an authentic Eschatology.

So much prophecy was fulfilled concerning Jesus and Israel in the first century. I can understand how this Eschatology gained traction.

Could be a symbolic return in AD70.

Matthew 16:28
Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.

They use verses like the one above to enforce their viewpoint.

Partial Preterism is generally considered to be a historic orthodox interpretation, as it affirms all eschatological points of the ecumenical Creeds of the Church.[51][52][53] (wiki.Preterism)

ok buddy, I dont mind your view points at least there not confrontational 😊

I believe you could be right lol 😊

Maybe preterists could be authentic i never thought of that haha

Habakkuk learned that the unjust die by works.

That's hardly the message of Habakkuk. Habakkuk begins by complaining and criticizing in chapter 1 to listening and learning in chapter 2 to praying and praising in chapter 3. He learned that the just will walk by faith and worship is the response of one who is so walking, regardless of whether circumstances change or not.
There is, of course, much more there, but this is a good place to start.

Paul confirms my view because Hab 2:4 is his thesis statement for the entire book of Romans.
Furthermore, the 2 distinct groups of the unjustified faithless are clearly demonstrated in Habakkuk, who are precisely the same 2 groups as Romans.

Sorry, but I think you missed the entire point of both books. Sorry fake sorry.

I acknowledge that the just will live by faith. But it isn't the principle message of the book. The principle message is God, His sovereignty, and the means by which the knowledge of the glory of the Lord will fill the earth.

this is really good and concise

The father cleansed out the temple twice physically. And the bible says so to.

And Christians say the son cleansed The temple twice spiritualy to.

Which is four times temple cleaning

Why Jesus Cleansed The Temple Twice (A Long-Standing Mystery Solved)

https://www.lambsreign.com/blog/why-jesus-cleansed-the-temple-twice-a-long-standing-mystery-solved

Remember when Jesus said that what happened next

“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭16:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This was next

“And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, and was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.

And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid. And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭17:1-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

some who were standing with him saw something there regarding God , the king , the kingdom and the son a glory that no one else saw

“Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, And the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; Thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: Be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear, And rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, When his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭2:6-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they saw the kingdom being revealed through the scripture they understood they heard the declaration of the king , the son of God glorified it was an important moment for Peter and became the foundation of his faith

“For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭1:16-19‬ ‭

Note how Peter is talking about the power and coming of Jesus and saying we wotnesses of his majesty and glory and heard the word from heaven as he’s talking about the transfiguration

Jesus has said this

“There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.”


Peter is saying this later about it

when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. “


Im sinply sayong it’s very possible ke that’s what he meant when he said that some who were standing there were taken with him to the mount and witnessed his glory and majesty

Well that's defiantly what you need it to mean, but you're still adding to scripture to get there. That's not what it says. This doesn't in any way address everything else Jesus said that warned them of the very soon to come judgement. Mat. 24 is very very clear that ALL the things He just told them about would happen before that generation pasted, that not 1 stone of THAT temple would be standing on another. That the blood of all the saints would be on "Their heads", and when you see these things happen in "Jerusalem", even to His walk to the cross telling the women not to weep for Him, but to weep for THEIR children. Everything He says is to THEM. What's more than that it happen EXACTLY as He said it would. If you'd read the text again without superimposing what you've ben told everything "really means", and just read the words for what they say, there's no way you get "future to us", or even that Jesus or the disciples are even talking about the end of the world in Mat. 24, they only discussing the coming end of the age.

Lol

did you actually read it ? I was showing th e scriptures and that he then six days later did that lol that’s all I was saying that could be what he was saying that’s why I quoted the prophecy that said he was going to annoint his king and declare he was his son in the witness of men ….and why I quoted peters wotness of that day in his epistle I’m here to talk about what the scripture says it’s a I le discussion forum . Seems like it’s not wrong to actually show what the scripture said and why you think what you’re saying adding scripture is what you should do to I like what you said earlier thought it was pretty good .

but to be clear I haven’t done anything but state my case and share a few of e scriptures that make me think that could be what he was saying ……

“Im simply saying it’s very possible that’s what he meant when he said that some who were standing there were taken with him to the mount and witnessed his glory and majesty”


Seems to make sense to me but like you I’m just a guy with what he thinks from the scriptures he retained afyer some study and prayer about it consideration discussion ect …..in a public forum trying to discuss what the Bible says in the text itself. You know 😅😂


I think seeing Jesus glorified as the king of kings the son of man ect is a pretty important thing to at least consider that didn’t happen any other time except Paul saw him glorified also later when he was chosen as apostle

Seems worthy of consideration to me and that seems like a reasonable post even if you don’t agree it’s alright with me you know this isn’t a seminary it’s a place where people come tbat all have different ideas formed from wherever thier from and whatever theyve been through what scriptures they’ve read what pastors they e listened to ect ect

We all have some differences in thinking about just about everything we discuss but I think that’s alright in a public forum designed to discuss the Bible it wouldn’t be in a seminary or even from a pulpit but I think we’re mostly just commoners at least that’s my view from what I read myself lord of good points from many lots of cooky stuff from others but I do wear pretty limited glasses since I’m just one person with one life’s experience and perspective so you know I’m just bored and thought a public biblical discussion forum sounded like a good pass time after I retired

that’s maybe my simple view of it but you know that’s my position

Can you take what your saying and add some scriptures it would help me understand what your saying there a lot . I think basically you agree with everything I’ve said in other posts

alike this rant here

Mat. 24 is very very clear that ALL the things He just told them about would happen before that generation pasted, that not 1 stone of THAT temple would be standing on another. That the blood of all the saints would be on "Their heads", and when you see these things happen in "Jerusalem", even to His walk to the cross telling the women not to weep for Him, but to weep for THEIR children. Everything He says is to THEM. What's more than that it happen EXACTLY as He said it would.

( I fully agree and can wuote why you think that from ot prophecy )


If you'd read the text again without superimposing what you've ben told everything "really means", and just read the words for what they say, there's no way you get "future to us", or even that Jesus or the disciples are even talking about the end of the world in Mat. 24, they only discussing the coming end of the age.

you do t understand my position this is way off base

Preterists are authentic

Futurists are insane

Preterist know the lord has returned

Futurists know the lord has retired

That's how I've been perceiving your (and his) posts... that you two basically have the same viewpoint (on when the events occurred/were fully fulfilled--70ad).

I don't know why @Jimbone responded to you as he did (as though you DISAGREE with his perspective on that), but my guess is that he hasn't been following your points in other past posts, and perhaps only skimmed reading that latest post of yours which he quoted and responded to (and thus mis-perceived what you were saying there, lol).


It happens. lol

= )