The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?
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You have interpreted the scriptures to fit your false belief. Only those who have been born again spiritually can believe in spiritual things.
The "world" in John 3:16 is the world of those who believe (born again believers) Some of the born again Jew's, who believe in and worship the spiritual God, do not believe that Christ was their Savior, and are still awaiting his coming.
Salvation, according to Strong's concordance means "a deliverance". Most of the salvation (deliverance) scriptures refer to a deliverance that the born again receive as they sojourn here on earth.
Keep in mind; all of the scriptures must harmonize before you can understand the truth.
There is a deliverance (salvation) when a new born babe in Christ matures enough to come unto a knowledge of the truth. (Rom 10:1-3) (1 Tim 2:4). The unborn spiritual person cannot believe in spiritual things (1 Cor 2:14).
the Lord Jesus Christ died for all mankind ... all descendants of Adam:
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
From Thayer's Greek Lexicon:
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
From Thayer's Greek Lexicon:
5. the inhabitants of the world ... particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race ... John 1:10, 29 ... John 3:16f ... Corinthians 5:19 ... 1 John 2:2
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Your claim that Romans 5:10 states that "Reconciliation by the Cross of Christ takes place without our faith, without our consent, in fact without our knowledge of it, but while in ignorance" reveals you do not understand what katallássō means.
The cross of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is God's part in the reconciliation ... He reconciled Himself to mankind through the cross before mankind ever existed.
Reconciliation on the part of mankind takes place when a person comes to the cross in faith. At that point, he or she is reconciled to God through faith in the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.
For those who stumble at the cross, there is no reconciliation ... not because God withholds anything from them, but because they are offended ... they stumble and fall by the wayside ...
Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
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The cross of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is God's part in the reconciliation ... He reconciled Himself to mankind through the cross before mankind ever existed.
Reconciliation on the part of mankind takes place when a person comes to the cross in faith. At that point, he or she is reconciled to God through faith in the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.
For those who stumble at the cross, there is no reconciliation ... not because God withholds anything from them, but because they are offended ... they stumble and fall by the wayside ...
Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
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John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
in adding the words "of those who believe (born again believers)" to John 3:16 ... you "interpreted the scriptures to fit your false belief".
just read the verses as written by the Author of Scripture.
if they do not believe Jesus is Messiah, they are not born again.
You can deny this truth all you want, but that does not change the truth into your stated belief.
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in adding the words "of those who believe (born again believers)" to John 3:16 ... you "interpreted the scriptures to fit your false belief".
just read the verses as written by the Author of Scripture.
if they do not believe Jesus is Messiah, they are not born again.
You can deny this truth all you want, but that does not change the truth into your stated belief.
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He didnt die for the sins of all individuals since the sins of all individuals havent been taken away. The ones Jesus died for it took away their sins before God. Jn 1 :29
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
He will not, no never charge them with sin 2 Cor 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
So you are guilty of handling the word of God deceitfully, with the word world !
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
He will not, no never charge them with sin 2 Cor 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
So you are guilty of handling the word of God deceitfully, with the word world !
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Your claim that Romans 5:10 states that "Reconciliation by the Cross of Christ takes place without our faith, without our consent, in fact without our knowledge of it, but while in ignorance" reveals you do not understand what katallássō means.
The cross of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is God's part in the reconciliation ... He reconciled Himself to mankind through the cross before mankind ever existed.
Reconciliation on the part of mankind takes place when a person comes to the cross in faith. At that point, he or she is reconciled to God through faith in the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.
For those who stumble at the cross, there is no reconciliation ... not because God withholds anything from them, but because they are offended ... they stumble and fall by the wayside ...
Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
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The cross of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is God's part in the reconciliation ... He reconciled Himself to mankind through the cross before mankind ever existed.
Reconciliation on the part of mankind takes place when a person comes to the cross in faith. At that point, he or she is reconciled to God through faith in the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.
For those who stumble at the cross, there is no reconciliation ... not because God withholds anything from them, but because they are offended ... they stumble and fall by the wayside ...
Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
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10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
If you deny that its unbelief !
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@reneweddaybyday
Thats the only part needed most deceived person, reconciliation to God is 100% His Work 2 Cor 5:18
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
You dont believe !
Thats the only part needed most deceived person, reconciliation to God is 100% His Work 2 Cor 5:18
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
You dont believe !
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I don't think pre-determinists here really believe their own propaganda. You would think that if they really believed that God pre-determines non-pre-determinists to not be able to grasp the truth of pre-determinism, and it is only by grace that they believe that saving truth, and there is nothing we can do to grasp it, if God has chosen not to reveal it to us so we would go to hell for his glory, that there would be a great deal more sympathy and patience expressed toward those destined through no fault of their own to hell. But they seem to have no patience with their fellow humans who have only this short life to find some consolation in before being thrown into the fire in which we were created tp suffer endlessly.
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Does the world in John 3:16 harmonize with the world in John 15:18-19?
Does the world in John 3:16 harmonize with the world in 1 John 5:19?
Does the world in John 3:16 harmonize with the world in Psalms 17:8-15?
How about Psalms 73:3-12?
Isaiah 13:11? John 14:17? John 15:18-19? John 16:20? John 17:14? John 18:36? Rom 12:2? 1 Cor 2:12?1 Cor 5:10? 2 Cor 7:10? Gal 3:4? Eph 6:12? Heb 11:7 Heb 11:38? James 1:27? James 4:4? 2 Pet 2:5? 1 John 2:15?
You will never understand the doctrine that Jesus taught if you do not harmonize the scriptures.
Does the world in John 3:16 harmonize with the world in 1 John 5:19?
Does the world in John 3:16 harmonize with the world in Psalms 17:8-15?
How about Psalms 73:3-12?
Isaiah 13:11? John 14:17? John 15:18-19? John 16:20? John 17:14? John 18:36? Rom 12:2? 1 Cor 2:12?1 Cor 5:10? 2 Cor 7:10? Gal 3:4? Eph 6:12? Heb 11:7 Heb 11:38? James 1:27? James 4:4? 2 Pet 2:5? 1 John 2:15?
You will never understand the doctrine that Jesus taught if you do not harmonize the scriptures.
On the one hand, determinists claim that they only believe the important truth of determinism because God gave them the necessary gnosis and we disbelieve in determinism because God chose not to give us the necessary gnosis. On the other hand, they deride those not believing in determinism for being too blind and dumb to understand, behaving as though they were bright enough to get it.
They can't claim that they personally trusted in Christ for their salvation............And this is what He commands us to do and Is His way of salvation. That is the part that is most concerning. It gives the finger to those "worthless, non-elect, carnal humans."
It's straight out of the PIT. And the height of arrogance.
It's straight out of the PIT. And the height of arrogance.
If a person is reconciled, he or she is no longer an enemy of God ... he or she is reconciled.
And it is clear from Scripture that at one point all descendants of Adam who come to faith in the Lord Jesus Christ were enemies.
You clearly do not comprehend katallássō.
Read vs 17, brightfame52:
2 Corinthians 5:
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation
A person is not in Christ until he or she is born again.
A person is not a new creature until he or she is born again.
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And it is clear from Scripture that at one point all descendants of Adam who come to faith in the Lord Jesus Christ were enemies.
You clearly do not comprehend katallássō.
Read vs 17, brightfame52:
2 Corinthians 5:
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation
A person is not in Christ until he or she is born again.
A person is not a new creature until he or she is born again.
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Thayer's definition of the word "world" as used in John 15:18-19 and 1 John 5:19:
I gave you a link to Thayer's ... you can look up the verses yourself to see how the word "world" (Greek kosmos) is defined.
I do not believe your dogma aligns with what Jesus taught.
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6. the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ
I gave you a link to Thayer's ... you can look up the verses yourself to see how the word "world" (Greek kosmos) is defined.
I do not believe your dogma aligns with what Jesus taught.
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Delivered us from the curse of the Law !
Those Christ died for have been delivered from the curse of the Law, so we read in Gal 3:13
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
What is the Curse of the Law ? Simply this, Hell, Eternal Separation from God in endless torment ! Its Eternal Misery and Woe, its that being accursed Paul writes of here Gal 1:8-9
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Which the word means:
anathema:
a votive offering, a thing devoted to God; a curse, the thing cursed.
place up, referring to something pledged (given up) to destruction; a divine curse/ban ("accursed"); an "oath-curse."
a thing devoted to God without hope of being redeemed, and, if an animal, to be slain (Leviticus 27:28, 29); therefore a person or thing doomed to destruction, Joshua 6:17;
a man accursed, devoted to the direst woes
, Romans 9:3 (pregnantly equivalent to doomed and so separated from Christ).
Christ has been made a Curse for them He died for, redeeming them from it, how ? Not by their faith or repentance, but by being made a curse for them , by dying for them !
Now because He was made a curse for them, they dont have to be made a curse. The curse is Eternal Death, Christ for His People underwent their Eternal Death ! 46
Those Christ died for have been delivered from the curse of the Law, so we read in Gal 3:13
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
What is the Curse of the Law ? Simply this, Hell, Eternal Separation from God in endless torment ! Its Eternal Misery and Woe, its that being accursed Paul writes of here Gal 1:8-9
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Which the word means:
anathema:
a votive offering, a thing devoted to God; a curse, the thing cursed.
place up, referring to something pledged (given up) to destruction; a divine curse/ban ("accursed"); an "oath-curse."
a thing devoted to God without hope of being redeemed, and, if an animal, to be slain (Leviticus 27:28, 29); therefore a person or thing doomed to destruction, Joshua 6:17;
a man accursed, devoted to the direst woes
, Romans 9:3 (pregnantly equivalent to doomed and so separated from Christ).
Christ has been made a Curse for them He died for, redeeming them from it, how ? Not by their faith or repentance, but by being made a curse for them , by dying for them !
Now because He was made a curse for them, they dont have to be made a curse. The curse is Eternal Death, Christ for His People underwent their Eternal Death ! 46