June 10th, 1967

Aren't our bodies supposed to be the temple of God? How about the antichrist residing in the hearts and minds of men via a mark in their right hands or foreheads, as the so-called vaccines are purported to enable?

Aren't our bodies supposed to be the temple of God? How about the antichrist residing in the hearts and minds of men via a mark in their right hands or foreheads, as the so-called vaccines are purported to enable?

Antichrist will meet his end there slain by the returning Lord. That is the END of Antichrist not the beginning as the pre-tribs teach.

Don't be surprised if in the next 4 or 5 months you see two men dressed in sackcloth standing at the top of Mr. Moriah.

therefore after the trib Jesus comes to reign

2nd coming is the rapture

I didn't ask about horns. But I would be interested in knowing if you believe the 2 witnesses could be symbolic?

I didn't ask about horns. But I would be interested in knowing if you believe the 2 witnesses could be symbolic?

No. They actually doooo stuff.

they are symbolic

Yes.


We come down with Jesus and our white robes. We went up and received them before this, at the Pre-Trib Rapture. That is what the Bible says and that is why everything works out and fits together so well for Pre-Tribbers. Jesus has gone up to prepare a Wedding for us, not a Tribulation.


John 14:
1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

Revelation 19:
1And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
2For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
3And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.
4And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.
5And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.
6And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
7Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
9And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.


And later in this same chapter we return back down with Him arrayed in our white robes and ready to rule and reign with Him on Earth for the next 1000 years.

I'm afraid Darby was not very honest.

Good thing we don't know/listen to these types, eh? But we do listen
To God's Pure/Preserved Word, and Are:

Brain - "Washed By The Water Of The Word," eh? ♫ 😇 ↑

the "that day" spoken about in 2 Thess. refers to the coming of our Lord in the clouds and our going to meet Him. "that day will not come unless there has come a falling away and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition"

No no that is Darby's "that day" nonsense, you will say you don't know Darby nevertheless it is his doctrine and his alone. Our coming in white robes is an entirely different event.

Darby insisted that the phrase "that day" used throughout the scripture must always apply to that great and terrible day when Jesus comes to judge the world. This theory has been disproven.

the "that day" spoken about in 2 Thess. refers to the coming of our Lord in the clouds and our going to meet Him. "that day will not come unless there has come a falling away and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition"

You will see that there are two resurrections to come, first we who belong to Christ and then after the 1, 000 years the general resurrection unto judgement.

The way pre tribbers have it they make Paul to say
"Now brethren concerning the rapture, that day will not come unless there is first been a rapture" [paraphrased] doesn't make an atom of sense.

Darby KNEW it didn't make sense, I'm afraid Darby was not very honest. So he made up this doctrine about "that day" meaning the last resurrection. Just like he made up the doctrine that falling away means "departure"

... not a nice man Darby.

Interesting sermon notes from 450 to 600 AD........

Here’s the text of De fine mundi, as given by Caspari. I have placed the key words in bold.

Omnes enim sancti et electi Dei, ante tribulationem quae uentura est, colliguntur et ad Dominum adsumuntur, ne quando uideant confusionem, quae uniuersum propter peccata nostra obruet mundum.


For all the saints and elect of God, prior to the tribulation that is to come, are gathered and are taken [up] to the Lord, lest they see the confusion, that will overwhelm the whole world because of our sins.

But the text given by Verhelst (p.524, l.36-39) is different:

Omnes enim sancti et electi Dei, ante tribulationem quae uentura est, colliguntur et a Domino adsumentur, ne quando uideant confusionem, quae uniuersum propter peccata nostra obruit mundum.

https://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog...passage-and-its-greek-origins/comment-page-1/

For all the saints and elect of God, prior to the tribulation that is to come, are gathered and will be taken by the Lord, lest they see the confusion, that will overwhelm the whole world because of our sins.

I read the full sermon. What this tells me is:

1) That the end times prophecies weren't fully fulfilled in 70AD and every generation since then really did think that end times was going to happen in their generation. The sermon writer was completely wrong, but it was still pretty fascinating how the sermon writer was able to read prophecies of the end times into what was going on in his generation.

2) Grant Jeffrey who translated this sermon is a pre-tribber so keep that in mind.

3) Even if this sermon might be evidence that pre-trib teaching existed earlier, it's STILL WRONG. False teaching about the end times already started during Paul's time, so nothing new here.


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I read the full sermon. What this tells me is:

1) That the end times prophecies weren't fully fulfilled in 70AD and every generation since then really did think that end times was going to happen in their generation. The sermon writer was completely wrong, but it was still pretty fascinating how the sermon writer was able to read prophecies of the end times into what was going on in his generation.

2) Grant Jeffrey who translated this sermon is a pre-tribber so keep that in mind.

3) Even if this sermon might be evidence that pre-trib teaching existed earlier, it's STILL WRONG. False teaching about the end times already started during Paul's time, so nothing new here.


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The way pre tribbers have it they make Paul to say
"Now brethren concerning the rapture, that day will not come unless there is first been a rapture" [paraphrased] doesn't make an atom of sense.

Darby KNEW it didn't make sense, I'm afraid Darby was not very honest. So he made up this doctrine about "that day" meaning the last resurrection. Just like he made up the doctrine that falling away means "departure"

... not a nice man Darby.

I'm afraid Darby was not very honest. So he made up this doctrine about "that day" meaning the last resurrection.