Did God occupy any space before creation?

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Dino246 said:
It seems that many people read the word "angel" and assign certain characteristics instead of taking the word at its simplest meaning: messenger. "Angel" is a role, not an identity. So having the pre-incarnate Jesus appear in the role of a messenger from the Father is legitimate. It neither limits nor diminishes Him.
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“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

….And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:1, 3, 14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: and he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1:15-

these things aren’t said of angels they are said of God in the ot and the son of God made flesh in the new
 
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PaulThomson said:
Agreed. His physical human body is the size of Jesus' body. And His spirit does fill all of creation.

Jeremiah 23:24 Can a man hide Himself in a hiding places so I do not see him?" declares the Lord? Do I not fill the heavens and the earth.

And even extends beyond all of creation.

1 Kings 8:27 Behold the heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain You, how much less this house which I have built.
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yepperooskie bout the size of Jesus

“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:6-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and he’s everywhere

“There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:4-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
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PaulThomson said:
Blade said:
Amen and to think everything that is, is Him so.. yeah HUGE haha

Are you a pantheist, Magenta?
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Not sure why you are asking me that...

In your view, is God not greater than His creation?

If in your view God is greater than His creation, does that make you a pantheist???

If in your view God is not greater than His creation, your god is too small.
 
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Magenta said:
Not sure why you are asking me that...

In your view, is God not greater than His creation?

If in your view God is greater than His creation, does that make you a pantheist???

If in your view God is not greater than His creation, your god is too small.
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Because you agreed with Blade that God IS everything. That's pantheism.

If you have been following my posts you would know that I believe space and time are both bigger than our present cosmos, and that I think space and time are aspects of God's essence.
 
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PaulThomson said:
Because you agreed with Blade that God IS everything. That's pantheism.

If you have been following my posts you would know that I believe space and time are both bigger than our present cosmos, and that I think space and time are aspects of God's essence.
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So you say, yet I simply stated that God is greater than His creation.

In other words, you are mistaken.

I suggest you ask the other if they are a pantheist.

I notice you did not.
 
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Mosie said:
God isn't a size. Size means you have limitations, God has no limitations and we struggle to comprehend that.
So since God has no 'size', He certainly did not develop 'size' when He created the universe.
May I respectfully suggest we focus on more important matters like showing God's love to people?
I love to discuss theology but is that really helping or serving others?
Time is short, we are in the end times...Learn to love with God's love our fellow man.
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Condescending and sanctimonious much?
 
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PaulThomson said:
Is God controlled by love? God cannot be controlled by what He is by nature. Space and time are aspects of God's nature, like justice, wisdom and mercy. God is not controlled by justice, wisdom, and mercy. In the same way, He is not controlled by space and time either.
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No, God is not. Controlled by love, God's very nature is Love, but he is not controlled by it; I hear what you are saying, but the Term "Control" can not be applied to GOD. Faith Moves God, but HE is Uncontrollable.
 
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PaulThomson said:
Does God have size? If God has size, how big is He? If God has size now, was God always this big?
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And more importantly, if a hen and a half, lays an Egg and a half, in a Day and a half, how long would it take a bow-legged cockroach to shingle a roof???
 
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posthuman said:
"size" is a physical-universe property.
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What proof do you have that size is a property of only a physical universe. Is God MORE loving than me? God's love has height, length breadth and depth. It encompasses all of creation and of the triune God who is within and beyond the physical worlds. He fills the space between time-space continua.
 
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Bob-Carabbio said:
And more importantly, if a hen and a half, lays an Egg and a half, in a Day and a half, how long would it take a bow-legged cockroach to shingle a roof???
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I would say your priorities need re-evaluating.
 
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Bob-Carabbio said:
Ridiculous questions, deserve equally ridiculous responses.
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No coherent question is ridiculous. Curiosity is a good thing. Jesus encouraged us to "Ask, seek, knock." God ecourages us to "Reason together with Him." It is the devil who wants us to uncritically accept his inventions and be a slave to traditions he has perverted.
 
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No coherent question is ridiculous. Curiosity is a good thing. Jesus encouraged us to "Ask, seek, knock." God ecourages us to "Reason together with Him." It is the devil who wants us to uncritically accept his inventions and be a slave to traditions he has perverted.
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Paul, with your questions, are you thinking in dimensional terms or just in our created physical dimension? Because, I believe God can and does come into our dimension(obviously)and experiences time and space. Thus He has to have size and is in time in His created dimension. And consider the vastness, complexities and unexplored areas of this dimension alone............and having 10, 20, 50 or infinitely more dimensions, even more vast and complex and God cant be contained in them.
 
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PaulThomson said:
What proof do you have that size is a property of only a physical universe.
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ok define "size" without using physical measures .. ?
i accept that it's possible to do so, but the OP didn't, so the natural definitions were tacit -- and the natural definitions simply do not apply to God because He is the Creator of the natural world, not a creature of the natural world.


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Is God MORE loving than me? God's love has height, length breadth and depth. It encompasses all of creation and of the triune God who is within and beyond the physical worlds. He fills the space between time-space continua.
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love isn't confined to height, length or breadth. love isn't measured spatially in a physical, 3D space, nor is love measured temporally. love transcends time and space.

time and space are both created things. they are pillars of the physical universe. the qualities of God are testified of by the created physical universe, but God cannot be measured in terms of the created physical universe.
 
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PaulThomson said:
God's love has height, length breadth and depth. It encompasses all of creation and of the triune God who is within and beyond the physical worlds. He fills the space between time-space continua.
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He encompasses all of creation not because He is able to be measured in terms of His creation, but because creation does not even have existence outside of Him, much less does it have volume, mass, inertia or electrical charge.

God is not an amount of electron-volts. He is The Creator of electrons, of space, of mass, of energy and of time.
 
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posthuman said:
ok define "size" without using physical measures .. ?
i accept that it's possible to do so, but the OP didn't, so the natural definitions were tacit -- and the natural definitions simply do not apply to God because He is the Creator of the natural world, not a creature of the natural world.





love isn't confined to height, length or breadth. love isn't measured spatially in a physical, 3D space, nor is love measured temporally. love transcends time and space.

time and space are both created things. they are pillars of the physical universe. the qualities of God are testified of by the created physical universe, but God cannot be measured in terms of the created physical universe.
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As omnipresent God must exist in every dimension.
Love has physical dimensions. Our love extends to certain persons within spatial-temporal dimensins, and does not extend to others because we are either indifferent to them or at enmity with them. God's love is unlimited, because He is love and He is everywhere.
 
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