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Susanna

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Why not have each state choose two people by lottery, then you put all 100 people into a game reserve and the last man standing is your president.
Drop them somewhere in the swamplands of Louisiana, if someone survives there’s your president.😁
 

ZNP

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Drop them somewhere in the swamplands of Louisiana, if someone survives there’s your president.😁
Being able to survive the swamps of Louisiana should be a prerequisite for anyone wishing to go to DC
 
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When Trump won against Clinton In 2016 IYO was there massive voting Fraud?
Yes, most of which was Democrat related. Trump won despite of this. All of Trump's indictments in this current cycle are baseless and politically motivated.
Will you accept the results of the 2024 election?
 

p_rehbein

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Will you accept the results of the 2024 election?
Yes, of course. In fact I accepted the results of the 2020 election. Let the best man win.
Many Christians here believe that the election was stolen,I’m glad you are going to accept the result of the election👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾🙋🏽‍♂️
 

ZNP

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It is idiotic to think that 70% of Americans feel there is election fraud, whether or not it changed the outcome of the election, and to not do a complete audit in order to restore confidence in the process. It doesn't matter who wins in 2024, that is not going to restore confidence.

It is not some conspiracy theory to want people who have died or moved out of the state to be removed from the voting rolls. That is common sense.

It is not some conspiracy theory to want safeguards concerning mail in ballots. When you go to vote you have to show your ID, but these are stuffed in these boxes in the middle of the night. So we should be able to confirm that if 20 ballots come from one address that 20 registered voters live at that address and mailed in their ballots. We should also be able to confirm signatures with an ID like a drivers license.

Likewise, it is not a conspiracy theory to question if a ballot is legitimate if the ballots were made with a watermark and this ballot doesn't have the watermark, or if the ballot was filled out on a computer printer.

It is not a conspiracy theory to question what is going on if you are given assurances that the voting machines are not connected to the internet and yet when a problem occurred the company fixed the machine remotely using the internet.
 

Susanna

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It is idiotic to think that 70% of Americans feel there is election fraud, whether or not it changed the outcome of the election, and to not do a complete audit in order to restore confidence in the process. It doesn't matter who wins in 2024, that is not going to restore confidence.

It is not some conspiracy theory to want people who have died or moved out of the state to be removed from the voting rolls. That is common sense.

It is not some conspiracy theory to want safeguards concerning mail in ballots. When you go to vote you have to show your ID, but these are stuffed in these boxes in the middle of the night. So we should be able to confirm that if 20 ballots come from one address that 20 registered voters live at that address and mailed in their ballots. We should also be able to confirm signatures with an ID like a drivers license.

Likewise, it is not a conspiracy theory to question if a ballot is legitimate if the ballots were made with a watermark and this ballot doesn't have the watermark, or if the ballot was filled out on a computer printer.

It is not a conspiracy theory to question what is going on if you are given assurances that the voting machines are not connected to the internet and yet when a problem occurred the company fixed the machine remotely using the internet.
It is sunken costs anyway. We have a new election coming up now and the people will decide who is going to be the next president. Let’s focus on that.
 

ZNP

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It is sunken costs anyway. We have a new election coming up now and the people will decide who is going to be the next president. Let’s focus on that.
If we do not deal with the election fraud in this country then no one will trust elections and this will lead to civil war. It will cost about 500 million to do a complete audit of all 50 states, that is 0.3% of what we gave to Ukraine, surely trust and faith in our democratic process is worth that.
 

Susanna

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If we do not deal with the election fraud in this country then no one will trust elections and this will lead to civil war. It will cost about 500 million to do a complete audit of all 50 states, that is 0.3% of what we gave to Ukraine, surely trust and faith in our democratic process is worth that.
Sure, if that’s what it takes. Why not.
 

ZNP

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Sure, if that’s what it takes. Why not.
That is what a whole lot of people have been asking for the last 3 1/2 years -- why not?
 

Susanna

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That is what a whole lot of people have been asking for the last 3 1/2 years -- why not?
What difference does it make now? The general is coming up in less than four months. There’s no way we’ll have a January 20 2021- January 20 2025 doing it all over again party. Go cast your vote and hope for the best.
 

ZNP

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What difference does it make now? The general is coming up in less than four months. There’s no way we’ll have a January 20 2021- January 20 2025 doing it all over again party. Go cast your vote and hope for the best.
We just had local elections here where I live and already people are questioning the outcome and whether or not there was fraud. This applies to local and state government as well as School board, etc.

The entire country is sitting on the trust and faith in our institutions to be fair and righteous. Without that everything else falls and the country will be split in half. When Biden was elected president he could have united the country by sanctioning a full audit in ten states, about $100 million which would be paid 50% by the Federal government and 50% by the State government. These would be the ten states with the closest outcome, five for Biden and five for Trump. At the time 30-40% of the country was concerned about election fraud, that is a huge amount. There were 2,000 sworn affidavits of election irregularities, video evidence, etc. But he didn't do it. Now, instead of 30-40% the number is 70% and instead of going away this issue has grown bigger and bigger with very persuasive evidence of the election being stolen in Arizona, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

The sooner this is dealt with the better. If Trump wins the left will go ballistic and if Biden (or whoever) wins MAGA will go ballistic.

This issue is far bigger than one presidential election, it involves thousands of elections and the trust that this country is still electing representatives democratically.
 

ZNP

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What difference does it make now? The general is coming up in less than four months. There’s no way we’ll have a January 20 2021- January 20 2025 doing it all over again party. Go cast your vote and hope for the best.
I would add that Biden's staff at the Whitehouse has an annual salary of $225 million and that is double what it was for Trump and Melania.

You could easily get $100 million just by having Biden cut the costs on his bloated staff.
 

p_rehbein

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Fraudulent actions have occurred in every General Election since we started having them as far as I can determine through some basic research. It's why we know Politics as the Second oldest profession, right?

I would rather see Biden stay in the Race than to see Harris, or - God forbid - Obama be drafted in as the Nominee, which could very well happen. Republicans have a far better chance of beating Biden than the other two IMO.

 

ZNP

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Fraudulent actions have occurred in every General Election since we started having them as far as I can determine through some basic research. It's why we know Politics as the Second oldest profession, right?

I would rather see Biden stay in the Race than to see Harris, or - God forbid - Obama be drafted in as the Nominee, which could very well happen. Republicans have a far better chance of beating Biden than the other two IMO.
All the more reason to have an audit.

Yes, we have had weeds and thorns growing in our farms since we left the garden of Eden, all the more reason why the farmer has to pull them up.

It is also why you know those telling you "this was the safest and most secure election ever" cannot be trusted. What they mean by "safest and most secure" is that the outcome was predetermined and so for the elites it was the safest and most secure.
 

JohnDB

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For most Conservative Christians our democracy has been a case of "hold your nose while voting for the lesser of two evils".
But this time out....there is no choice that is acceptable. Although Conservative Christians are leaning towards Trump out of perceived traditional values...he really doesn't have the values they believe he does.

American Beligerance is only superceded by the British...the main difference being that America controls the world economy.

So....I don't see things getting better on the international stage anytime soon. Between the Democrat's clown show at every press conference and Republican's insensitive ignorant demands towards others....not gonna be good for a while.

We are in the information age....and I can't find the happy balance of ignorance is bliss...
 

ResidentAlien

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On Christ the solid rock I stand
All other ground is sinking sand
All other ground is sinking sand
 

Edify

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Whoever wins, it will be God's choice. Just as the king of Babylon was God's servant, so will be the winner.