The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?
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here is what is plain as day ...
1 Peter 2:
6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner
according to vs 6, those who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ shall not be confounded (ashamed)
according to vs 7, the Lord Jesus Christ is precious to those who believe in Him
according to vs 7, those who are disobedient reject the Lord Jesus Christ
clearly, the context tells us that those who believe, those to whom the Lord Jesus Christ is precious are the "our" whose sins have been borne by the Lord Jesus Christ in vs 24 ... not because the Lord Jesus Christ is incapable of bearing the sins of those who reject, but because those who reject the Lord Jesus Christ have no other means of having their sins removed.
The offering of the Lord Jesus Christ is the only offering acceptable to God ... for those who reject the only offering for sin, their sin remains.
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1 Peter 2:
6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner
according to vs 6, those who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ shall not be confounded (ashamed)
according to vs 7, the Lord Jesus Christ is precious to those who believe in Him
according to vs 7, those who are disobedient reject the Lord Jesus Christ
clearly, the context tells us that those who believe, those to whom the Lord Jesus Christ is precious are the "our" whose sins have been borne by the Lord Jesus Christ in vs 24 ... not because the Lord Jesus Christ is incapable of bearing the sins of those who reject, but because those who reject the Lord Jesus Christ have no other means of having their sins removed.
The offering of the Lord Jesus Christ is the only offering acceptable to God ... for those who reject the only offering for sin, their sin remains.
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You against the healing , saving effects of Jesus Christ testified by scripture, no excuse Isa 53:5
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
1 Pet 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Matt Poole nailed it in his commentary on Isa 53:5
With his stripes we are healed; by his sufferings we are saved from our sins, and from the dreadful effects thereof.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
1 Pet 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Matt Poole nailed it in his commentary on Isa 53:5
With his stripes we are healed; by his sufferings we are saved from our sins, and from the dreadful effects thereof.
The Belittlement of the Death/Cross/Blood of Christ !
Paul once wrote this Gal 6:14
14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
Paul here is glorying in the Salvation of and Converting effects of the Death/Cross/Blood of Christ ! He is saying that it was by the powerful effects of the Cross that the world [world , flesh and devil] is crucified unto him, and secondly he to the world[world,flesh,devil], these things did not happen because of his so called freewill decision to accept Christ, they occurred because of the inherent Virtue [Effective force or power] of the Death/Cross/Blood of Christ !
And not only Paul, but every True Christian can boast/glory in the Cross of Christ for the same reason Paul states here !
That word glory in Gal 6:14 is the greek word kauchaomai and means to:
I.to glory (whether with reason or without)
II.to glory on account of a thing
III.to glory in a thing
And its also used in the NT 8 times to mean boast:
Like here Eph 2:9;James 4:16 !
But its also translated into the word glory as here 1 Cor 1:31
That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
In fact in this reference glorying or boasting is an imperative in the Lord, and this is to the believer, proving that his or her glorying in the Cross is just as warranted as Pauls is in Gal 6:14
14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
The Cross does Two things unto all them it was for, It crucifies the world unto them, and them unto the world !
Now these Two things equate to ones full Salvation experience in this Life, its equivalent to Peters Testimony here 1 Pet 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree[cross], that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Yet many in false religion today would have us believe that although Christ died for an individual, that individual can still wind up a unconverted sinner and die in unbelief in their sins Jn 8:24, this type of thinking and teaching is to the belittlement and minimization of the efficaciousness of the death/cross/blood of Christ, and they shall not be held guiltless of this evil in the Day of Judgment ! 45
Paul once wrote this Gal 6:14
14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
Paul here is glorying in the Salvation of and Converting effects of the Death/Cross/Blood of Christ ! He is saying that it was by the powerful effects of the Cross that the world [world , flesh and devil] is crucified unto him, and secondly he to the world[world,flesh,devil], these things did not happen because of his so called freewill decision to accept Christ, they occurred because of the inherent Virtue [Effective force or power] of the Death/Cross/Blood of Christ !
And not only Paul, but every True Christian can boast/glory in the Cross of Christ for the same reason Paul states here !
That word glory in Gal 6:14 is the greek word kauchaomai and means to:
I.to glory (whether with reason or without)
II.to glory on account of a thing
III.to glory in a thing
And its also used in the NT 8 times to mean boast:
Like here Eph 2:9;James 4:16 !
But its also translated into the word glory as here 1 Cor 1:31
That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
In fact in this reference glorying or boasting is an imperative in the Lord, and this is to the believer, proving that his or her glorying in the Cross is just as warranted as Pauls is in Gal 6:14
14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
The Cross does Two things unto all them it was for, It crucifies the world unto them, and them unto the world !
Now these Two things equate to ones full Salvation experience in this Life, its equivalent to Peters Testimony here 1 Pet 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree[cross], that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Yet many in false religion today would have us believe that although Christ died for an individual, that individual can still wind up a unconverted sinner and die in unbelief in their sins Jn 8:24, this type of thinking and teaching is to the belittlement and minimization of the efficaciousness of the death/cross/blood of Christ, and they shall not be held guiltless of this evil in the Day of Judgment ! 45
It appears to me that your whole false theology is based upon the natural man, as described in 1 Cor 2:14, being able to believe in spiritual things, which is a contradiction to that verse of scripture.
A spiritually dead person cannot make a choice to accept things pertaining to spiritual things such as, accepting Christ as his spiritual savior, chose to be born spiritually, repenting to the breaking of a spiritual law of a spiritual God, etc.
A spiritually dead person cannot make a choice to accept things pertaining to spiritual things such as, accepting Christ as his spiritual savior, chose to be born spiritually, repenting to the breaking of a spiritual law of a spiritual God, etc.
It made us dead to the Law !
Rom 7:4
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Did you know that every sinner Christ died for, that they are born into this world, from their Mothers womb, dead to the Law ? Now exactly what does it mean to be dead to the Law ? It means among many things, they are dead to any condemnation and curse from the Law, because of all their sins they shall commit in the body, yes even from the womb and the duration of their lives; all for whom Christ died are free from the death penalty of the Law, as it is written, the soul that sinneth shall surely die, or the wages of sin is death Rom 6:23, and sin receives its authority of causing death from the Law 1 Cor 15:56
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
Now how so this be ? By Christ's death for us, we are free from or dead to the Laws curse and condemnation, even from the womb. Now is it because our faith, repentance ? No, God forbid, but its by the Body of Christ [which signify s His death] and that's why its a true fact even from the womb, for its due solely on the Merits of Christs death for them ! 45
Rom 7:4
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Did you know that every sinner Christ died for, that they are born into this world, from their Mothers womb, dead to the Law ? Now exactly what does it mean to be dead to the Law ? It means among many things, they are dead to any condemnation and curse from the Law, because of all their sins they shall commit in the body, yes even from the womb and the duration of their lives; all for whom Christ died are free from the death penalty of the Law, as it is written, the soul that sinneth shall surely die, or the wages of sin is death Rom 6:23, and sin receives its authority of causing death from the Law 1 Cor 15:56
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
Now how so this be ? By Christ's death for us, we are free from or dead to the Laws curse and condemnation, even from the womb. Now is it because our faith, repentance ? No, God forbid, but its by the Body of Christ [which signify s His death] and that's why its a true fact even from the womb, for its due solely on the Merits of Christs death for them ! 45
Romans 8 says that the carnal man is one who is setting his mind on the things of the flesh, but the spiritual man is setting his mind od things that are spiritual. Christians can fall back into contemplating the desires of their flesh and become carnal. Spiritual and carnal are not permanent states.
An unsaved man whose mind is focused on considering spiritual things can receive the teaching of the Holy Spirit and become persuaded about the love, saving work and glory of Jesus Christ before being born again through putting faith in Jesus. To a person, whether born again or not, who's focussing their mind on their own carnal desires, the things of the Holy Sprit seem foolish and unattractive.
An unsaved man whose mind is focused on considering spiritual things can receive the teaching of the Holy Spirit and become persuaded about the love, saving work and glory of Jesus Christ before being born again through putting faith in Jesus. To a person, whether born again or not, who's focussing their mind on their own carnal desires, the things of the Holy Sprit seem foolish and unattractive.
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the above statement has nothing to do with the context within which Galatians 6:14 has been placed by the Author of Scripture.
Galatians 6:
6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.
11 Ye see how large a letter I have written unto you with mine own hand.
12 As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.
13 For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.
14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
in reading through the whole letter to the Galatian church (have you ever done that, brightfame52???), it is apparent that there were some who came into the church and attempted to pervert the gospel of Christ (Gal 1:7) by claiming the believer is to follow the law.
In Gal 6:12 it is apparent that some came into the church to constrain you to be circumcised.
In vs 13 Paul told the Galatian believers the reason ... that they may glory in your flesh.
In vs 14 Paul warned the believers to glory only in the cross of the Lord Jesus Christ and in doing this, the things of the world become dead to the believer and the believer is dead to the world.
... it is not "false religion" to state exactly what is written in God's Word, brightfame52:
The Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam.
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
The reason some end up "a unconverted sinner and die in unbelief in their sins" is not because the offering of the Lord Jesus Christ is insufficient to take away the sins of those who do not believe.
The issue is that there is only One offering for sin which is acceptable to God. There is no other offering which can take away the sin of mankind ... those who reject God's gracious gift have no other offering which can take away sin.
read the verse, brightfame52:
John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
you know who belittles and minimizes the "efficaciousness of the death/cross/blood of Christ" ???
those who do not believe !!!
those who teach what God's Word teaches ... for by grace are ye saved through faith ... do not belittle or minimize the "efficaciousness of the death/cross/blood of Christ".
you need to quit accusing brothers and sisters in Christ. do you think you will escape the judgment seat of Christ? All shall give an account of every idle word ...
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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Galatians 6:
6 Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.
11 Ye see how large a letter I have written unto you with mine own hand.
12 As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.
13 For neither they themselves who are circumcised keep the law; but desire to have you circumcised, that they may glory in your flesh.
14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
in reading through the whole letter to the Galatian church (have you ever done that, brightfame52???), it is apparent that there were some who came into the church and attempted to pervert the gospel of Christ (Gal 1:7) by claiming the believer is to follow the law.
In Gal 6:12 it is apparent that some came into the church to constrain you to be circumcised.
In vs 13 Paul told the Galatian believers the reason ... that they may glory in your flesh.
In vs 14 Paul warned the believers to glory only in the cross of the Lord Jesus Christ and in doing this, the things of the world become dead to the believer and the believer is dead to the world.
... it is not "false religion" to state exactly what is written in God's Word, brightfame52:The Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam.
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
The reason some end up "a unconverted sinner and die in unbelief in their sins" is not because the offering of the Lord Jesus Christ is insufficient to take away the sins of those who do not believe.
The issue is that there is only One offering for sin which is acceptable to God. There is no other offering which can take away the sin of mankind ... those who reject God's gracious gift have no other offering which can take away sin.
read the verse, brightfame52:
John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
you know who belittles and minimizes the "efficaciousness of the death/cross/blood of Christ" ???
those who do not believe !!!
those who teach what God's Word teaches ... for by grace are ye saved through faith ... do not belittle or minimize the "efficaciousness of the death/cross/blood of Christ".
you need to quit accusing brothers and sisters in Christ. do you think you will escape the judgment seat of Christ? All shall give an account of every idle word ...
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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I have already explained 1 Corinthians 2:14 to you, ForestGreenCook:
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please provide Scripture (chapter and verse) which states mankind is to accept the Lord Jesus Christ as his or her "spiritual" savior ... or anything about chose to be born "spiritually" ... or repenting to the breaking of a "spiritual" law or a "spiritual" God ...
You add manmade concepts to Scripture in your futile attempt to align Scripture to your erroneous dogma.
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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please provide Scripture (chapter and verse) which states mankind is to accept the Lord Jesus Christ as his or her "spiritual" savior ... or anything about chose to be born "spiritually" ... or repenting to the breaking of a "spiritual" law or a "spiritual" God ...
You add manmade concepts to Scripture in your futile attempt to align Scripture to your erroneous dogma.
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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The Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam.
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
... since it is clear from Scripture that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam ... you are claiming that all descendants of Adam "are born into this world, from their Mothers womb, dead to the Law".
In actuality, Romans 7 is written to those who know the law (Rom 7:1). Romans 7:4 states that those who know the law (Jews) become dead to the law the moment they believe and are born again. They are now married to Him Who is raised from the dead, that they should bring forth fruit unto God.
Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
... since it is clear from Scripture that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam ... you are claiming that all descendants of Adam "are born into this world, from their Mothers womb, dead to the Law".In actuality, Romans 7 is written to those who know the law (Rom 7:1). Romans 7:4 states that those who know the law (Jews) become dead to the law the moment they believe and are born again. They are now married to Him Who is raised from the dead, that they should bring forth fruit unto God.
Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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It made us dead to the Law !2
Now this great accomplishment by the death of Christ, or by the body of Christ, as when He bare our sins in His Own Body on the Tree 1 Pet 2:24, and made us dead to the Law, it yet still had another purpose to fulfill, and that is , it ensures that someday in this our life, that we shall be married to another [into a spiritual experimental relationship] and that another being, Him that was raised from the dead because of our Justification Rom 7:4
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Rom 4:25
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
So the death of Christ was not for an end in and of itself, but was to cause us to be married to another, that other being the Lord Jesus Christ ! If that does not occur, His death misfired[To fail to achieve an anticipated result:]of the purpose of God ! 45
Now this great accomplishment by the death of Christ, or by the body of Christ, as when He bare our sins in His Own Body on the Tree 1 Pet 2:24, and made us dead to the Law, it yet still had another purpose to fulfill, and that is , it ensures that someday in this our life, that we shall be married to another [into a spiritual experimental relationship] and that another being, Him that was raised from the dead because of our Justification Rom 7:4
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Rom 4:25
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
So the death of Christ was not for an end in and of itself, but was to cause us to be married to another, that other being the Lord Jesus Christ ! If that does not occur, His death misfired[To fail to achieve an anticipated result:]of the purpose of God ! 45
The Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam.
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
... since it is clear from Scripture that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam ... you are claiming that all descendants of Adam "are born into this world, from their Mothers womb, dead to the Law".
In actuality, Romans 7 is written to those who know the law (Rom 7:1). Romans 7:4 states that those who know the law (Jews) become dead to the law the moment they believe and are born again. They are now married to Him Who is raised from the dead, that they should bring forth fruit unto God.
Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
... since it is clear from Scripture that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam ... you are claiming that all descendants of Adam "are born into this world, from their Mothers womb, dead to the Law".In actuality, Romans 7 is written to those who know the law (Rom 7:1). Romans 7:4 states that those who know the law (Jews) become dead to the law the moment they believe and are born again. They are now married to Him Who is raised from the dead, that they should bring forth fruit unto God.
Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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The Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam.
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
... since it is clear from Scripture that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam ... you are claiming that all descendants of Adam "are born into this world, from their Mothers womb, dead to the Law".
In actuality, Romans 7 is written to those who know the law (Rom 7:1). Romans 7:4 states that those who know the law (Jews) become dead to the law the moment they believe and are born again. They are now married to Him Who is raised from the dead, that they should bring forth fruit unto God.
Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
2 Corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
... since it is clear from Scripture that the Lord Jesus Christ died for the whole world ... all descendants of Adam ... you are claiming that all descendants of Adam "are born into this world, from their Mothers womb, dead to the Law".In actuality, Romans 7 is written to those who know the law (Rom 7:1). Romans 7:4 states that those who know the law (Jews) become dead to the law the moment they believe and are born again. They are now married to Him Who is raised from the dead, that they should bring forth fruit unto God.
Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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You are not rightly dividing the word of truth, by not understanding the difference in the worlds.
God loves the world of believers who believe in spiritual things, only, after they have been born again by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (Eph 2:1-5).
God does not love the world: that cannot receive the word of truth (John 14:17). That hates Jesus (John 15:18-19).
That persecuted Jesus (John 15:20-21). That hated Jesus without a cause (John 15:25). That rejoiced when Christ was crucified (John 16:20). That Jesus said he would not pray for (John 17:9). That has not known God (John 16:25).
Romans 7:4 does not state "we shall be married to another [into a spiritual experimental relationship] and that another being, Him that was raised from the dead because of our Justification".
Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Romans 7:4 plainly states we are married to another, even to Him Who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Romans 4:25 does not state that the death of the Lord Jesus Christ was to "cause us to be married to another".
Romans 4:25 plainly states that the Lord Jesus Christ was delivered for our offenses, and was raised again for our justification.
Why do you insist on manipulating what the Author of Scripture has written? Do you think you're a better writer than He is? ... or do you think He got it wrong and He needs you to straighten out what He wrote ?
Read what God has written in His Word ... believe what God has written in His Word ... just as He wrote it.
Quit manipulating Scripture in your never-ending and futile attempt to align Scripture to your erroneous dogma.
You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Romans 7:4 plainly states we are married to another, even to Him Who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Romans 4:25 does not state that the death of the Lord Jesus Christ was to "cause us to be married to another".
Romans 4:25 plainly states that the Lord Jesus Christ was delivered for our offenses, and was raised again for our justification.
Why do you insist on manipulating what the Author of Scripture has written? Do you think you're a better writer than He is? ... or do you think He got it wrong and He needs you to straighten out what He wrote ?
Read what God has written in His Word ... believe what God has written in His Word ... just as He wrote it.
Quit manipulating Scripture in your never-ending and futile attempt to align Scripture to your erroneous dogma.
You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
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The Death of Christ ensures that those for whom He died shall be married to Him, that is made partakers of His Life, to live with and for Him. Same thing is stated 2 Cor 5:14-15
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
Yet you deny this, you are an adversary to the truth of it.
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
Yet you deny this, you are an adversary to the truth of it.
From Thayer's Greek Lexicon:
Ephesians 2:
1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; )
your stated verses fail to support your claim because ...
vs 1 - even when we were dead in sins.
vs 2 - when we walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience
vs 3 - among whom also we all had our conversation in time past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
... God loved us (Eph 2:4).
Luke 11:
9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
John 14:
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
another fail because there is no indication here that God does not love the world.
none of your stated verses indicate that God does not love the world. All the verses you quoted indicate that the world hates God.
Here is what God says:
Ezekiel 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die ...
God begs the world to turn to Him so they can be saved.
God has provided all that is necessary for all mankind to be saved.
Those who reject God will suffer the eternal consequence of having rejected Him even as He reaches out to them.
Those who do not reject God will enjoy the eternal benefit of having not rejected Him when He reached out to them.
God reaches out to all ... how do we respond to Him when He seeks us out? ... do we reject out of hand because we love darkness rather than light (John 3:19)? ... or are we a whosoever believeth (John 3:16)?
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5. the inhabitants of the world ... particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race ... John 1:10, 29 ... John 3:16f ... Corinthians 5:19 ... 1 John 2:2
Ephesians 2:
1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved; )
your stated verses fail to support your claim because ...
vs 1 - even when we were dead in sins.
vs 2 - when we walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience
vs 3 - among whom also we all had our conversation in time past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
... God loved us (Eph 2:4).
Luke 11:
9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
11 If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?
12 Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
John 14:
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
another fail because there is no indication here that God does not love the world.
none of your stated verses indicate that God does not love the world. All the verses you quoted indicate that the world hates God.
Here is what God says:
Ezekiel 33:11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die ...
God begs the world to turn to Him so they can be saved.
God has provided all that is necessary for all mankind to be saved.
Those who reject God will suffer the eternal consequence of having rejected Him even as He reaches out to them.
Those who do not reject God will enjoy the eternal benefit of having not rejected Him when He reached out to them.
God reaches out to all ... how do we respond to Him when He seeks us out? ... do we reject out of hand because we love darkness rather than light (John 3:19)? ... or are we a whosoever believeth (John 3:16)?
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You seem to be interpreting Paul's words out of context, ForestGreenCook.
Paul says in ! Cor. 1:17-18 that he did not preach to the Corinthians with words of eloquent wisdom, lest conversions be accredited to Paul's clever persuasive eloquent philosophising rather than the spiritual power of the cross itself. He says that "the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing (apollumenois present passive participle), but to us who are being saved (sOzomenois, present passive participle) it is the power of God.
He says in 1:21 "...it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to start saving (sOsai, aorist active infinitive) those who are believing (pisteuontas, present active participle) ."
He goes on in i Cor. 2 to say that in first preaching to the lost Corinthians , he did not use lofty speech or wisdom, but knew nothing among these unsaved Corinthians except Christ and Him crucified... not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that their faith may not be based on men's wisdom but God's power. In other words, the saving message of the gospel basics, that enable sinners to put their faith in Christ as Saviour and Lord, is not aimed at the minds (psuchE) of men, but at their spirits (pneuma).
Paul goes on next to speak of teaching a wisdom to the mature, but this is a wisdom from God that is hidden from the rulers of this age, obsessed with ruling through oppressive coercive power, could not and cannot comprehend (2:6-9)
He says that it is these things being taught to the mature are being revealed by the Holy Spirit to the mature who have the Holy Spirit in them to teach them (2:10-13). He is not referring to the basic gospel message of the cross aimed at the uncircumcised hearts of the lost, but the deeper things of God revealed to the renewed hearts of those who have been believers long enough to mature. These "things of the Spirit" go beyond how to be reconciled to God through Jesus ' death and resurrection. These "things of the Spirit" are knowledge and understanding of the resources at the disposal of those who have entered into the Kingdom of God." The natural or soulish man (psuchikos anthrOpos) does not grant access to (dechetai) these things of the Spirit of God that are for the mature Christians, for they are foolishness to him. 1 Cor. 2: 14) The soulish (psuchikos) person is not a Chjristian. He does not have the Holy Spirit (Jude 1:9), so those things that pertain to living life in the kingdom of God in submission to Christ are irrelevant to them. So there is no point in trying to explain these to an unsaved person. It's casting pearls before swine. The psuchikos person without the Holy Spirit (Jude 1:9) is not a Christian, because anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to Him. (Rom.8:9)"
Paul's the goes on to address carnal/sarkikos Christians ("I, brothers, could not address YOU...") , who are presently focused on their fleshly component of their nature; and spiritual/pneumatikos Christians, who are presently focused on the spiritual component of their nature. Both believers and unbelievers have this ability to focus on either their spiritual or fleshly component of their nature. But Paul is here speaking to his siblings, Christian who focuses on their flesh is called carnal (3:1-4).
You have assumed Paul is referring in Cor. 2:14 to the basic saving gospel message as "things of the Spirit". But the context shows it is those "things of the Spirit" reserved for "mature believers". The basic gospel message is aimed at the heart, not the mind and is the sufficient power of God for salvation for those who hear it if they believe that basic message.
Paul says in ! Cor. 1:17-18 that he did not preach to the Corinthians with words of eloquent wisdom, lest conversions be accredited to Paul's clever persuasive eloquent philosophising rather than the spiritual power of the cross itself. He says that "the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing (apollumenois present passive participle), but to us who are being saved (sOzomenois, present passive participle) it is the power of God.
He says in 1:21 "...it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to start saving (sOsai, aorist active infinitive) those who are believing (pisteuontas, present active participle) ."
He goes on in i Cor. 2 to say that in first preaching to the lost Corinthians , he did not use lofty speech or wisdom, but knew nothing among these unsaved Corinthians except Christ and Him crucified... not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that their faith may not be based on men's wisdom but God's power. In other words, the saving message of the gospel basics, that enable sinners to put their faith in Christ as Saviour and Lord, is not aimed at the minds (psuchE) of men, but at their spirits (pneuma).
Paul goes on next to speak of teaching a wisdom to the mature, but this is a wisdom from God that is hidden from the rulers of this age, obsessed with ruling through oppressive coercive power, could not and cannot comprehend (2:6-9)
He says that it is these things being taught to the mature are being revealed by the Holy Spirit to the mature who have the Holy Spirit in them to teach them (2:10-13). He is not referring to the basic gospel message of the cross aimed at the uncircumcised hearts of the lost, but the deeper things of God revealed to the renewed hearts of those who have been believers long enough to mature. These "things of the Spirit" go beyond how to be reconciled to God through Jesus ' death and resurrection. These "things of the Spirit" are knowledge and understanding of the resources at the disposal of those who have entered into the Kingdom of God." The natural or soulish man (psuchikos anthrOpos) does not grant access to (dechetai) these things of the Spirit of God that are for the mature Christians, for they are foolishness to him. 1 Cor. 2: 14) The soulish (psuchikos) person is not a Chjristian. He does not have the Holy Spirit (Jude 1:9), so those things that pertain to living life in the kingdom of God in submission to Christ are irrelevant to them. So there is no point in trying to explain these to an unsaved person. It's casting pearls before swine. The psuchikos person without the Holy Spirit (Jude 1:9) is not a Christian, because anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to Him. (Rom.8:9)"
Paul's the goes on to address carnal/sarkikos Christians ("I, brothers, could not address YOU...") , who are presently focused on their fleshly component of their nature; and spiritual/pneumatikos Christians, who are presently focused on the spiritual component of their nature. Both believers and unbelievers have this ability to focus on either their spiritual or fleshly component of their nature. But Paul is here speaking to his siblings, Christian who focuses on their flesh is called carnal (3:1-4).
You have assumed Paul is referring in Cor. 2:14 to the basic saving gospel message as "things of the Spirit". But the context shows it is those "things of the Spirit" reserved for "mature believers". The basic gospel message is aimed at the heart, not the mind and is the sufficient power of God for salvation for those who hear it if they believe that basic message.
no, brightfame52, I do not deny Scripture.
What I deny is your manipulation of Scripture in your futile attempt to align Scripture to your dogma.
Here is what you said, brightfame52:
Romans 7:4 does not state that He "was raised from the dead because of our Justification".
You know it. I know it. Everyone who reads Scripture knows that is not what Romans 7:4 says.
You are more interested in re-writing Scripture to align with your dogma than you are interested in comprehending what the Author of Scripture has written.
You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.
Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
... the one who is "an adversary to the truth" of Scripture is the one who continuously manipulates what is written in Scripture as if the Author of Scripture did not know what He was writing when He wrote it.
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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What I deny is your manipulation of Scripture in your futile attempt to align Scripture to your dogma.
Here is what you said, brightfame52:
Romans 7:4 does not state that He "was raised from the dead because of our Justification".
You know it. I know it. Everyone who reads Scripture knows that is not what Romans 7:4 says.
You are more interested in re-writing Scripture to align with your dogma than you are interested in comprehending what the Author of Scripture has written.
You are to align your dogma to Scripture and where you are in error, let go of the error.
Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
... the one who is "an adversary to the truth" of Scripture is the one who continuously manipulates what is written in Scripture as if the Author of Scripture did not know what He was writing when He wrote it.READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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