Israel Declares War

HeIsHere · Dec 23, 2023

They cannot grasp this, because from their vantage point the Jews are "exceptional still" and to even be objective about them is a sin.

That any "bloodline" be considered "exceptional" under the full implementation of New Covenant is not found in the words of the New Testament writers

tobewholeagain · Dec 23, 2023

cv5 said:

If and only IF they follow His commandments, which they do not.

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HeIsHere · Dec 23, 2023

tobewholeagain said:

He has built his whole life around this being the end times, that is the problem. That would make it very hard to be wrong.

tobewholeagain · Dec 23, 2023

Cameron143 said:

(Gen 41:39 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, Forasmuch as God hath showed thee all this, there is none so discreet and wise as thou art:

(Gen 41:40 KJV) Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou.

(Gen 41:42 KJV) And Pharaoh took off his ring from his hand, and put it upon Joseph's hand, and arrayed him in vestures of fine linen, and put a gold chain about his neck;

(Gen 41:44 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, I am Pharaoh, and without thee shall no man lift up his hand or foot in all the land of Egypt.

Joseph who is now the de facto ruler over all of Egypt saves the Israelites who are experiencing a great famine and moves them to Egypt and gives them power over all the agriculture lands. Clearly they were not slaves as some would have believed.

(Gen 42:5 KJV) And the sons of Israel came to buy corn among those that came: for the famine was in the land of Canaan.

(Gen 42:25 KJV) Then Joseph commanded to fill their sacks with corn, and to restore every man's money into his sack, and to give them provision for the way:

(Gen 45:20 KJV) Also regard not your stuff; for the good of all the land of Egypt is yours.

(Gen 45:21 KJV) And the children of Israel did so: and Joseph gave them wagons, according to the commandment of Pharaoh, and gave them provision for the way.

(Gen 47:1 KJV) Then Joseph came and told Pharaoh, and said, My father [ISRAEL] and my brethren, and their flocks, and their herds, and all that they have, are come out of the land of Canaan; and, behold, they are in the land of Goshen.

(Gen 47:3 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto his brethren, What is your occupation? And they said unto Pharaoh, Thy servants are shepherds, both we, and also our fathers.

(Gen 47:5 KJV) And Pharaoh spake unto Joseph, saying, Thy father [ISRAEL] and thy brethren are come unto thee:

(Gen 47:6 KJV) The land of Egypt is before thee; in the best of the land make thy father and brethren to dwell; in the land of Goshen let them dwell: and if thou knowest any men of activity among them, then make them rulers over my cattle.

(Gen 47:11 KJV) And Joseph placed his father [ISRAEL] and his brethren, and gave them a possession in the land of Egypt, in the best of the land, in the land of Rameses, as Pharaoh had commanded.

Cameron143, what have I left out?

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Cameron143 · Dec 23, 2023

tobewholeagain said:

(Gen 41:39 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, Forasmuch as God hath showed thee all this, there is none so discreet and wise as thou art:

(Gen 41:40 KJV) Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou.

(Gen 41:42 KJV) And Pharaoh took off his ring from his hand, and put it upon Joseph's hand, and arrayed him in vestures of fine linen, and put a gold chain about his neck;

(Gen 41:44 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, I am Pharaoh, and without thee shall no man lift up his hand or foot in all the land of Egypt.

Joseph who is now the de facto ruler over all of Egypt saves the Israelites who are experiencing a great famine and moves them to Egypt and gives them power over all the agriculture lands. Clearly they were not slaves as some would have believed.

(Gen 42:5 KJV) And the sons of Israel came to buy corn among those that came: for the famine was in the land of Canaan.

(Gen 42:25 KJV) Then Joseph commanded to fill their sacks with corn, and to restore every man's money into his sack, and to give them provision for the way:

(Gen 45:20 KJV) Also regard not your stuff; for the good of all the land of Egypt is yours.

(Gen 45:21 KJV) And the children of Israel did so: and Joseph gave them wagons, according to the commandment of Pharaoh, and gave them provision for the way.

(Gen 47:1 KJV) Then Joseph came and told Pharaoh, and said, My father [ISRAEL] and my brethren, and their flocks, and their herds, and all that they have, are come out of the land of Canaan; and, behold, they are in the land of Goshen.

(Gen 47:3 KJV) And Pharaoh said unto his brethren, What is your occupation? And they said unto Pharaoh, Thy servants are shepherds, both we, and also our fathers.

(Gen 47:5 KJV) And Pharaoh spake unto Joseph, saying, Thy father [ISRAEL] and thy brethren are come unto thee:

(Gen 47:6 KJV) The land of Egypt is before thee; in the best of the land make thy father and brethren to dwell; in the land of Goshen let them dwell: and if thou knowest any men of activity among them, then make them rulers over my cattle.

(Gen 47:11 KJV) And Joseph placed his father [ISRAEL] and his brethren, and gave them a possession in the land of Egypt, in the best of the land, in the land of Rameses, as Pharaoh had commanded.

Cameron143, what have I left out?

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I was referring to the part about Moses. What you shared wasn't accurate.

tobewholeagain · Dec 23, 2023

Cameron143 said:

And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out to his brothers, and looked on their burdens: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brothers. And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand. And when he went out the second day, behold, two men of the Hebrews strove together: and he said to him that did the wrong, Why smite you your fellow?

Now when Pharaoh heard this thing, he sought to slay Moses. But Moses fled from the face of Pharaoh, and dwelled in the land of Midian: and he sat down by a well. Moses and all the others flee Egypt and are scattered throughout the land.
https://biblehub.com/exodus/2-11.htm
I note: Later on, that they are gathered for judgement

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tobewholeagain · Dec 23, 2023

tobewholeagain said:

correction--
I note: Later on, they are gathered for judgement

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Cameron143 · Dec 23, 2023

tobewholeagain said:

And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out to his brothers, and looked on their burdens: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brothers. And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand. And when he went out the second day, behold, two men of the Hebrews strove together: and he said to him that did the wrong, Why smite you your fellow?

Now when Pharaoh heard this thing, he sought to slay Moses. But Moses fled from the face of Pharaoh, and dwelled in the land of Midian: and he sat down by a well. Moses and all the others flee Egypt and are scattered throughout the land.
https://biblehub.com/exodus/2-11.htm
I note: Later on, that they are gathered for judgement

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There was a period of 40 years between the time Moses killed the Egyptian and the time of the Exodus.

cv5 · Dec 23, 2023

tobewholeagain said:

And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out to his brothers, and looked on their burdens: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brothers. And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand. And when he went out the second day, behold, two men of the Hebrews strove together: and he said to him that did the wrong, Why smite you your fellow?

Now when Pharaoh heard this thing, he sought to slay Moses. But Moses fled from the face of Pharaoh, and dwelled in the land of Midian: and he sat down by a well. Moses and all the others flee Egypt and are scattered throughout the land.
https://biblehub.com/exodus/2-11.htm
I note: Later on, that they are gathered for judgement

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Aaaand you hate Moses too. Obvious.

cv5 · Dec 23, 2023

HeIsHere said:

I will not even be around on the planet to witness "the lie" come to power. I will have been raptured beforehand. So the vast cataclysmic "end-times" (actually "beginning times") disasters will befall the "earth dwellers"......not me.

Whether you, @tobewholeagain and @Needevidence will see this son of perdition in his rise to power firsthand I cannot say with any certainty. Frankly, being raptured seems pretty sketchy at this point. But if you ARE here, the promise of the AC to destroy all Israel once and for all will certainly be a big drawing card and an intensely tempting offer for you to accept his mark and name.

cv5 · Dec 23, 2023

Cameron143 said:

His gambit now is to deny that God gave Abraham the actual land of Canaan. Absolutely outrageous.

cv5 · Dec 23, 2023

tobewholeagain said:

Wrong. The Mosaic bilateral Covenant came AFTERWARD. The Abrahamic covenant is unilateral and eternal.

cv5 · Dec 23, 2023

HeIsHere said:

Those pathetically dumb and ignorant enough to accept the ridiculous 70AD theory are also the same ones who despise the Abrahamic covenant, God's prophetic Word, and Israelites. Oh yes, and God's inevitable and gracious future redemption of His people Israel.

I would opine that all of this together puts one in a very precarious if not potentially devastatingly wrong position. In terms of eternal spiritual destiny that is......

Glad it ain't me buddy. Feels like I won the lottery in comparison to where you are at.

ThereRoseaLamb · Dec 23, 2023

Obedience said:

The Jews will figure it out. Romans 11 says so. And they will have the land God promised to them as an everlasting promise.

cv5 · Dec 23, 2023

ThereRoseaLamb said:

Indeed they will.....

Hos 6:1
Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.

Hos 6:2
After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

ThereRoseaLamb · Dec 23, 2023

Magenta said:

I actually saw a video of that happening. Then they took that body and tied it to a fence in the city to rot and warn the next person. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. We are under grace. I don't agree with homosexuality, but Christ came to set the captives free.

PennEd · Dec 23, 2023

Needevidence said:

Of course God knows that Abraham sired those two sons.

But He doesn’t recognize the son of the slave woman, that Abraham begat by HIS efforts, and unbelief, instead of relying on God’s promise that Sarah would bear a son.

Same way He doesn’t recognize our efforts and unbelief to try and attain or maintain our Salvation.

All of that has nothing to do with the Word’s inerrancy.

You are in effect doing exactly what those lying scribes in Jeremiah were doing by twisting His perfect Word.

Magenta · Dec 23, 2023

ThereRoseaLamb said:

He certainly never threw anyone off a rooftop, nor even condemned the woman caught in adultery (without getting
into the reasons why/how she had been unfairly accused and brought before Him). God draws us with loving kindness.
I have seen at least one video of adulterers, buried in the sand up to their waist, being stoned by Muslims.
Well, the reason giving for the stoning is ostensibly adultery. Who knows? .

ThereRoseaLamb · Dec 23, 2023

tobewholeagain said:

Do you despise the Arabs who broke the ceasefire and murdered innocent Israelis? Do you despise them for taking hostages so young they can't yet walk? Do you despise them for murdering parents in front of their children and vise versa and then sending the video to family and friends on social media? Do you despise them for raping women so violently that they broke their pelvis? Do you understand the violence and force that takes?! So badly did they rape them that the victim begged to be killed. Do you despise them for murdering innocent youth at a peaceful music concert, and that some of them ran for over an hour, fearing for their lives??

tobewholeagain · Dec 23, 2023

cv5 said:

I do not hate anyone; the term is not in my vocabulary.
Having said that, Moses murders a man and then hides the dead body in the sand.
Aaaand, I could care less what you cv5 think.

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