Orthodox Jew answers a few questions

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TabinRivCA

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Let's look at it from the perspective that God did not change His mind, so what then did He change? Well, He changed the way to righteousness, all while still upholding the law. He did not cast it down but (I'd rather use the perfect word but struggle...satisfied? secured?) its judgments, through Christ. Christ is the Way, and the only way to eternal life. The Way, the Truth, and the Life.
I agree but I wonder where the Jews go that believe in God but hadn't been introduced to Jesus? My grandparents, for example.
 
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It is impossible to keep the law. And they did not teach the keeping of the law. For instance, circumcision, for starters.
They even voted on it. Jesus never told them one way or another while here. The Council that James led voted on it.
 

Kroogz

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I did not make any claim. I said, without the writings of Paul, there would be no doctrine of Grace as it is known currently.
John 3:16 ESV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

John 1:12 ESV
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,

John 3:18 ESV
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

John 6:40 ESV
For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

John 6:47 ESV
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.( truly,truly....pay close attention! This is a point of doctrine.)

John 6:28-29 ESV
Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”

John 8:24 ESV
I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.”

John 20:31 ESV
But these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
 

Magenta

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They even voted on it. Jesus never told them one way or another while here. The Council that James led voted on it.
Yeah, they voted on it and jettisoned a great majority of the law.

The whole of my post (I added to it):

It is impossible to keep the law. And they did not teach the keeping of the law. For instance, circumcision,
for starters. Also, while living under the law of Moses, they never ate with Gentiles. That was forbidden.
But even Jesus consorted with those His fellow Jews strenuously disapproved of. Like the woman at the
well. And Jesus also forgave the woman caught in adultery, even though the law demanded her death.
If the Jewish leadership was really following the law, Jesus never would have been tried the way He was.



From Acts 15:20 plus 28
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ZNP

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The book of Hebrews lays out how Jesus and the sacrifice He made replaces the OT practice of worship to God.
 

Magenta

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John 3:16 ESV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

John 1:12 ESV
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,

John 3:18 ESV
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

John 6:40 ESV
For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

John 6:47 ESV
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.( truly,truly....pay close attention! This is a point of doctrine.)

John 6:28-29 ESV
Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”

John 8:24 ESV
I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.”

John 20:31 ESV
But these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

John 1:1 + 14a
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ThyKingdomComeSoon

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I agree but I wonder where the Jews go that believe in God but hadn't been introduced to Jesus? My grandparents, for example.
Do not worry about your grandparents, The lord cannot impute a fault if they did not know, The Lord is perfect in all things and loving and is just and forgiving. However, for those who know about Jesus and reject him and his teachings. it will probably be a big problem for them on the Messiah's return. The Old testament is the proof of Jesus existence and that HE IS THE SON OF GOD all the O.T. Points to it in particular the prophets. The prophecy of Jesus made by the O.T. prophets were ALL fulfilled from his birth to his announced death, in detail. Jesus fulfilled the prophecies about the messiah to the letter.
The O.T. texts are clear. Jesus is the Son of GOD, the Messiah.

Blessings.
 

Magenta

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Do not worry about your grandparents, The lord cannot impute a fault if they did not know, The Lord is perfect in all things and loving and is just and forgiving. However, for those who know about Jesus and reject him and his teachings. it will probably be a big problem for them on the Messiah's return. The Old testament is the proof of Jesus existence and that HE IS THE SON OF GOD all the O.T. Points to it in particular the prophets. The prophecy of Jesus made by the O.T. prophets were ALL fulfilled from his birth to his announced death, in detail. Jesus fulfilled the prophecies about the messiah to the letter.
The O.T. texts are clear. Jesus is the Son of GOD, the Messiah.

Blessings.
Some/many believe prophesies yet remain to be fulfilled, such as regarding His second coming.
Also, knowing about someone is not to be confused with actually knowing someone personally.



Jesus’ words in John 6:65
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Mem

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I agree but I wonder where the Jews go that believe in God but hadn't been introduced to Jesus? My grandparents, for example.
I have the same concern for my mother. She 'believes' in Jesus but can't let go of Buddha either so, I have to trust Him in His judgment, considering all judgment is given to Him and He would know our hearts in any scenario.

Lately, I've been thinking on the centurions that mocked Jesus and His sentiment toward them. He said, "Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do." And we know through scripture that one of them was so moved to say, "Surely, this is the Son of God." Idk but, perhaps yes, the others came along, eventually, also, even if it has not been recorded in the scripture, considering His prayer was for them and not just that one.

Perhaps no that is wishful thinking, "...but hope that can be seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he can already see? But if we hope for what we do not yet see, we wait for it patiently (Romans 8:24b-6)

20For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but because of the One who subjected it, in hope 21that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
 

ZNP

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The New Testament is a covenant. A covenant is a legally binding agreement on both parties. For example, if you buy a house you have to have a legally binding agreement that sells that house. That covenant is on both parties. If for example the person selling the house lies on that contract it can later be disputed in court, likewise if the person buying the house does not fulfill their end of the contract it also can be nullified.

The covenant includes a promise of salvation for eternity. That is true, but it is also true that there are commandments from Jesus to us, there are warnings that He might say "depart from me workers of iniquity I never knew you".

We are witnesses. That is our assigned job. How is that going for you? Don't tell me, that is between you and Jesus. We are supposed to be building the church with gold, silver and precious stones. How is that going? We are the bride of Christ, one would assume that if you love the Lord and are looking forward to spending eternity with Him you are spending time everyday with Him.

Now if someone claims they are a Christian because 20 years ago they prayed at the altar, and since then they spend their time at the country club and the shopping mall and everywhere but with Jesus, is that the kind of bride that the Lord of Lords deserves?
 
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John 3:16 ESV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

John 1:12 ESV
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,

John 3:18 ESV
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

John 6:40 ESV
For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

John 6:47 ESV
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.( truly,truly....pay close attention! This is a point of doctrine.)

John 6:28-29 ESV
Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”

John 8:24 ESV
I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.”

John 20:31 ESV
But these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
I answered You by mistake concerning the Law. I apologize.
 

ThyKingdomComeSoon

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Some believe prophesies yet remain to be fulfilled, such as regarding His second coming.
yes, absolutely! I was just referring to Jesus's life while he was with us on earth. ( for Aviva so she can look for herself if she wants to, I would like so much for her to know the truth!) , many prophecies remain to be fulfilled by Christ, the major one, his second coming is one of them that I hope I might see but only the Lord knows.

Blessings.
 
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Yeah, they voted on it and jettisoned a great majority of the law.

The whole of my post (I added to it):

It is impossible to keep the law. And they did not teach the keeping of the law. For instance, circumcision,
for starters. Also, while living under the law of Moses, they never ate with Gentiles. That was forbidden.
But even Jesus consorted with those His fellow Jews strenuously disapproved of. Like the woman at the
well. And Jesus also forgave the woman caught in adultery, even though the law demanded her death.
If the Jewish leadership was really following the law, Jesus never would have been tried the way He was.



From Acts 15:20 plus 28
:)
I definitely am in agreement there is no way we could ever keep the Law.
 
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John 3:16 ESV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

John 1:12 ESV
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,

John 3:18 ESV
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

John 6:40 ESV
For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

John 6:47 ESV
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.( truly,truly....pay close attention! This is a point of doctrine.)

John 6:28-29 ESV
Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”

John 8:24 ESV
I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.”

John 20:31 ESV
But these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
Let me add here. None of these Verses mention Grace. So, how would You apply a word here that is not mentioned, unless Paul mentions it later?
 
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I feel bad for answering Kroogz wrongfully. I really am sorry about that. Glad I was able to change that foolish answer.
 

Magenta

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Let me add here. None of these Verses mention Grace. So, how would You apply a word here that is not mentioned, unless Paul mentions it later?
Peter mentions it as well. I gave you the verses.
 
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Peter mentions it as well. I gave you the verses.
Peter in Acts 15:10-11 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are. The yoke is the law. Jesus referred to it as well. The law remans to condemn those not covered by grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ.
Peter is saying what I am saying it was the Act of God. I definitely agree. Wonder how since both Peter and Paul mention the Act of God how it became a license to sin?
 
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