Does "Elohim" in any way prove the Trinity?

Is there a phone #?

If you put enough points together you might get a number.....see, I just made a 1 laying down.

Now here, have a sandwich:

Well, in this case it may not be a "denial," per se. I don't think Dino denies the divinity of Christ, or really anyone else here except for a couple of individuals that have left a small imprint (See Post #2 and the "Likes").

In this scenario it's probably riddled by the fact that Heiser (a Trinitarian) has captured the minds and thoughts of certain individuals and has managed to be persuasive with his arguments in the Unseen Realm, but I am not convinced, despite some of the good work he's put in. Gen. 1:26 was not one of those. All Heiser managed to do was "agree" with later Jewish scribes that were writing with the intent to "blunt" the spread of Christianity, and then import their beliefs back into the NT: That's nuts. How about reading the material in chronological order so we can understand the real Christian/Jewish "dialogue" on Gen. 1:26? Heiser, instead says the early Christians were wrong.

I havent read Heiser, but I will check him out.
A person cam be right on a thing or two while being a ranf heretic. Bonhoeffer was right about the psalms and about stupidity, while being a ranknheretic on christology and ontology.

I definitely would not classify Heiser as a heretic; his Christology is on point, but he missed the buck on Gen. 1:26. When you read people, you need to understand to who and to what they are objecting to. We sometimes miss that bit of context. That said, Heiser's heart is in the right place in his love to God, for Christ, and in Spirit. He just simply fluffed it on Gen. 1:26.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

This does not prove there is a trinity.

Adam was made in the image of God.

In the New Testament it says Adam was made in the similitude of Christ.

The image of God is the image of Christ.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

This means God had the plan to come in the future in flesh before He laid down the foundation of the world, and He created Adam in the image He would show up in the future which is an innocent nature in flesh.

All things were made by Him, and without the plan of God to come in the future in flesh He would of not created anything He created for Jesus is the reason creation is successful to give salvation, and to judge the angels, and people.

So the let us create man in our image has to include the man Christ Jesus for He is part of that image.

I do not believe it is referring to a trinity but a prophetic statement to the coming Son of God, God manifest in the flesh.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

This does not prove there is a trinity for it said name singular, and those are not names but titles.

God said in the Old Testament that the Jews shall know His name, and He shall speak to them.

Jesus told Philip that if he had seen Him then He has seen the Father, and the words that He speaks are not His words, but Father that dwells in Him does the works.

Jesus said I am come in my Father's name.

Hebrews says the Son inherited the name of the Father.

The Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.

Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Jews, Gentiles, and Samaritans were all baptized in Jesus name in the book of Acts.

The Bible says all we do in word, and in deed is to be done in Jesus' name so we would not baptize Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Mar 16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

This does not prove there is a trinity.

The Bible says there is one throne in heaven, and one who sits on that throne, and it is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

Act 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

God's right hand represents power, wisdom, and salvation.

There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

Jesus said all power is given to Him in heaven and earth which He was speaking as the man Christ Jesus for as God He already has that power.

David said the LORD said unto my Lord, sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool.

Which the Son must reign until His enemies are conquered, and then the Son shall submit to the Father that God may be all in all.

God exalted the man Christ Jesus to exercise the throne of power, be at His right hand, until His enemies are conquered, then the Son shall submit to the Father, stop being at the right hand, stop exercising the throne of power, that God may be all in all, for the mediator role of the man Christ Jesus is no longer needed.

The Son being at the right hand is a temporary role, and there is only one throne in heaven which is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

The only person we will see in heaven is Jesus which He told Philip that if you have seen me then you have seen the Father.

Jesus is the only image of God we will see.

but when talking about the God of Israel, Elohim, is ""ALWAYS"" used in the SINGULAR FORM.

No.

If the verb in the sentence is written in the singular form, then in meaning of Elohim is singular. If the verb is is written in the plural form, then the meaning of Elohim is plural. The verb in Gen 1:26 is plural, so Elohim is plural. This is why the translators (experts in Hebrew grammar) used "us" and "our" to complement the plural forms of the noun and verb.

you believe whatever, but that is not how the Hebrew defines, it's how the ENGLISH defines it.

No.

If the verb in the sentence is written in the singular form, then in meaning of Elohim is singular. If the verb is is written in the plural form, then the meaning of Elohim is plural. The verb in Gen 1:26 is plural, so Elohim is plural. This is why the translators (experts in Hebrew grammar) used "us" and "our" to complement the plural forms of the noun and verb.

sir, what you express is definitely not belief in the Trinity.

oneness theology has been identified as heresy for over 1,600 years, in direct conflict with Trinitarianism. it was revived in the days of the American "great awakening" along with all kinds of other doctrines contrary to orthodoxy.

America has always been a melting pot in which anyone with any crazy religious ideas can start their own church - who is to stop them? see mormonism for example, which originates from around the same period this old heresy of modaliam was picked up again.

Well first let me assure everyone that I believe in the Trinity; “One invisible creator God YHWH, who reveals himself in 3 different ways for 3 different purposes”. However I have observed that a number of people use the title “Elohim” as though it were some sort of proof of the Trinity and I just want to point out that that is a mistake. The Bible though is full of proof of the Trinity.
Below is part of my study on the title “Elohim”.

ELOHIM = Plural of the Hebrew noun EL. Used over 2,500 times in the O.T.; It is usually printed as 'LORD' (small capitals) when referring to the true God, or when referring to men it is printed in non- capitals. It is also sometimes printed as God, or god. Elohim is used not just for the true God, as in Gen.1:1---Ps.83:18.---Isa.12:2. ; 26:4, but is also used for; Heathen gods; Ex.19: 11.--Angels; Ps.8: 5.- Judges; Ex.21: 6.
In the Hebrew this word is plural in form, but singular in construction. Because of its plural form, it has been used as an argument to vouch for God's Trinity. However it is incorrect to use it this way. The plural is due to a Hebrew idiom use of a 'plural of magnitude or majesty.' It is like underlining, or repeating a word in order to emphasise it. The word gives an emphasis of importance. The word denotes respect or submission to any in a position of power or authority, be they God, angel, or man.- The word “Lord” as used throughout the Bible is used in a similar way in our English speaking society today, as a word of respect in the Judiciary, and in English aristocracy, and can be used for both God & man.
EL or ELOAH or the Aramaic form ELAH from which the Islam religion get the name of their God , “Allah” = This word is the singular form of ELOHIM and means The Powerful or Authoritive One.
EL, also has the meaning of God or god. The title, Eloah is used extensively in the Book of Job., also in Gen. 33:20. Ps.85: 8. 2 Sam.22: 33.

No, this is how the Hebrew works.

One thing for sure. Elohim has singular uses and plural uses throughout Scripture. When the Son is praying to the Father in the Psalms He often calls Him "My Elohim" which would be singular. In other places when He says the Father is greater than all elohim it would be plural. Your explanation makes sense.

Psalm 86:8 is an example where elohim is plural referring to other elohim.

Among the elohim there is none like unto Thee, O Adonai; neither are there any works like unto Thy works.

Psalm 86:2 is an example with the Son praying to His Father where the Elohim would be singular.

Preserve My soul; for I am holy: O Thou My Elohim, save Thy Servant that trusteth in Thee.

Most of the occurrences of Elohim H430 appear to be singular in usage.

Well first let me assure everyone that I believe in the Trinity; “One invisible creator God YHWH, who reveals himself in 3 different ways for 3 different purposes”. However I have observed that a number of people use the title “Elohim” as though it were some sort of proof of the Trinity and I just want to point out that that is a mistake. The Bible though is full of proof of the Trinity.
Below is part of my study on the title “Elohim”.

ELOHIM = Plural of the Hebrew noun EL. Used over 2,500 times in the O.T.; It is usually printed as 'LORD' (small capitals) when referring to the true God, or when referring to men it is printed in non- capitals. It is also sometimes printed as God, or god. Elohim is used not just for the true God, as in Gen.1:1---Ps.83:18.---Isa.12:2. ; 26:4, but is also used for; Heathen gods; Ex.19: 11.--Angels; Ps.8: 5.- Judges; Ex.21: 6.
In the Hebrew this word is plural in form, but singular in construction. Because of its plural form, it has been used as an argument to vouch for God's Trinity. However it is incorrect to use it this way. The plural is due to a Hebrew idiom use of a 'plural of magnitude or majesty.' It is like underlining, or repeating a word in order to emphasise it. The word gives an emphasis of importance. The word denotes respect or submission to any in a position of power or authority, be they God, angel, or man.- The word “Lord” as used throughout the Bible is used in a similar way in our English speaking society today, as a word of respect in the Judiciary, and in English aristocracy, and can be used for both God & man.
EL or ELOAH or the Aramaic form ELAH from which the Islam religion get the name of their God , “Allah” = This word is the singular form of ELOHIM and means The Powerful or Authoritive One.
EL, also has the meaning of God or god. The title, Eloah is used extensively in the Book of Job., also in Gen. 33:20. Ps.85: 8. 2 Sam.22: 33.

I've never yet seen an argument about the trinity which did not boil down to the real argument folks have as to whether Jesus be God or nay.

Fact is God's triune nature is a mystery as impossible to explain in science or logic as life itself is impossible to explain in those terms. Why trouble to argue?

I'm having fun at the present showing some Jewish folks that THEY also are triune since they are body soul and spirit. Once you show them that man has an inner man which can be at war with the outer man [as in drug abuse for instance] which they will concede.

Then you have them having to admit to an at least twofold nature ... which is a great intro to the subject of the new birth.

I'm having fun at the present showing some Jewish folks that THEY also are triune since they are body soul and spirit. Once you show them that man has an inner man which can be at war with the outer man [as in drug abuse for instance] which they will concede.

Then you have them having to admit to an at least twofold nature ... which is a great intro to the subject of the new birth.