The Security Of The Believer

Looking at all of believers through time, it adds up, but there are believers who will populate (families having children) in the Millennium and the New Earth, as well. There will also be many saints who will come to the faith during the Tribulation period, as well.

Your math skills need a lot of work.

Right, like Ephesians 2:8-9.

Ephesians 2:1 says you have been quickened (or made alive). This obviously happened one time when we first accepted the gospel in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, and we sought forgiveness with the Lord Jesus according to Romans 10:9, and Romans 10:13. We gain access to God’s grace through faith (Romans 5:2).

A person who believes the gospel message and receives Christ as their Savior when they have only a few minutes to live will be saved.
So in some cases, a person can be saved solely by God’s grace through faith without works.
Even babies who die are not even saved by faith. They are saved solely by God’s grace (Which is provided by what Jesus did for us with His death, burial, and resurrection).


Well, you are not quoting the entire verse that has the conditions in it.
I am sure you have read this verse a ton of times and never seen it.

Lets read the full version of this verse.

John 5:24
”Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”

So the conditions for you to have everlasting life, and to not come into condemnation and to pass from death unto life is….


So we have to be meeting these two conditions. Meaning, if you are not obeying God’s Word you do not have eternal life.
This is also expressed in 1 John 2:4. The person who says they know the Lord and they do not keep His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in them.

2 Thessalonians 2:13, Romans 8:13, and Galatians 6:8-9 say otherwise. Also see 1 Timothy 5:8.

This is true. But this is in reference to the saints who came out of the Tribulation. But Jesus’ words have to be true in some way in Matthew 7:14. Jesus was clearly saying FEW find eternal life, and this is in context to self professing believers. So imagine the number of believers who didn’t make it into God’s kingdom.

If believes are having families on the New Earth for all eternity, it is not a problem.

Are you Mormon?

No, are you one?

Why would you ask that? Nothing I've said would make anyone believe that I am.

In other words, Abraham did obey by simply offering up his Son. That was the real instructions. The Modern Versions pervert this truth.

You simply misunderstand what they teach.

I'm convinced that the serpent was a preacher selling his own version of God's word.

No need to imagine...0.

Statements like this are simply an avoidance of having to actually deal with the Bible actually says. The burden of proof is on you to make your case biblically how this even remotely so. Meaning, if you cannot discuss how I am misunderstanding these verses, then your statement is just empty and hollow and has no substance. We can discuss them if you like. Do you not believe others will benefit by the discussion?

So you are against Modern Translations and you prefer the King James Bible over all others?

So you believe there will be many self professing Christians who will not make it into God’s Kingdom?
I believe this is the case based on Matthew 7:14 and by looking at Matthew 7:22-23, and Matthew 13:41-42.

Such conditions for everlasting life revealed in the scripture are by hearing not obeying and believing. For it is hearing and hearing by the word of God comes faith. Romans 10:17. We obey because we are saved and not to be saved.

over all others? this wording seems a bit... what's the word I'm wanting....

At any rate, there's no getting around translating scripture into right ideas, even if reading from the originals.

You either get the idea or you mix it up for another idea that misses, and even barely missing it is still missing it.

Much like sin. You don't get points for almost hitting perfect, if you're aiming for it, only a bullseye wins you the trophy.

In John chapter 8, Jesus said the Jews were of their father the devil and the lusts of their father they will do. In verse 47 Jesus says, "He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.” Obviously their doing sinful lusts like their father the devil has a great impact on why they were not able to understand or hear Jesus’ words. Paul says in 1 Timothy 6:3-4 that if any man does not agree with the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine according to godliness, he is proud and he knows nothing. James 4:6 says God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble. For example: Jesus says repent or perish. Jesus warned about how certain sins can keep us out of God’s Kingdom like lusting after a woman (Matthew 5:28-30), unforgiveness (Matthew 6:15), speaking the wrong words (Matthew 12:37), not helping the poor (Matthew 25:31-46), and turning back in preaching the gospel (Luke 9:62). One is obviously not hearing God’s words if they ignore these warnings in Scripture. Most Christians today do. They do not think there is any danger even when they are in sin. They have not passed from death unto life because they did not hear God’s words in regards to hearing the warnings about how sin destroys our souls in the afterlife and if we don’t confess and forsake such sins, we are toast.

You have moved the goalposts. First you said believers. Now you say self processing Christians. Which is it?