The Security Of The Believer

Right, like Ephesians 2:8-9.

Ephesians 2:1 says you have been quickened (or made alive). This obviously happened one time when we first accepted the gospel in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, and we sought forgiveness with the Lord Jesus according to Romans 10:9, and Romans 10:13. We gain access to God’s grace through faith (Romans 5:2).

A person who believes the gospel message and receives Christ as their Savior when they have only a few minutes to live will be saved.
So in some cases, a person can be saved solely by God’s grace through faith without works.
Even babies who die are not even saved by faith. They are saved solely by God’s grace (Which is provided by what Jesus did for us with His death, burial, and resurrection).
But if a believer (who has accepted God’s grace) lives out their faith, they then need to enter into the action described in 2 Thessalonians 2:13. 2 Thessalonians 2:13 says God has chosen you to salvation through Sanctification of the Spirit and a belief of the truth. Romans 8:13, and Galatians 6:8-9 also teach the same truth that you need to live a holy life by the Spirit in order to reap everlasting life. Of course many in your camp will either ignore these verses or they have some odd ball interpretation on them. But you are free to try and explain these verses from your belief if you can.

Well, you are not quoting the entire verse that has the conditions in it.
I am sure you have read this verse a ton of times and never seen it.

Lets read the full version of this verse.

John 5:24
”Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”

So the conditions for you to have everlasting life, and to not come into condemnation and to pass from death unto life is….


So we have to be meeting these two conditions. Meaning, if you are not obeying God’s Word you do not have eternal life.
This is also expressed in 1 John 2:4. The person who says they know the Lord and they do not keep His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in them.

No Bible verse actually says that if one possesses eternal life it is a permanently finished transaction.
Actually there are tons of Scripture verses that would negate that teaching in several different categories.
I will supply these different verse lists at another time when I have more time.

Jesus alone possesses immorality. (1 Timothy 6:16).
So you have to abide in Christ in order to obtain eternal life because He is the source of life.
Jesus says I am the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6).
You cannot have eternal life without Jesus.
The way we know Jesus is if we find we are keeping His commands (1 John 2:3).

This is simply not true at all.

There are no chapter breaks in the original manuscripts. James 1 sets the stage of discussion for James 2.

James 1:21-22 says:

James is warning those who are wrongfully having respect of persons by saying that they need to receive the engrafted Word which is able to save their souls. This is further backed up by the fact that James 2:17 says faith without works is dead. A dead faith cannot save anyone. Plus, if you were to read James 2:24 again, it ties in works and faith in with the word ”justified.” You may try to do the fancy dance and say that “justified” in James 2:24 is in reference to being justified before men, but this same word ”justified’ is used for faith in the same verse, too. James says You see how a man is justified by works and not by faith alone (James 2:24). Meaning, you are not going to argue against justification by faith is a part of salvation (which is taught in Romans 5:1). Yet, James is saying we are not justified by faith alone.

No. Romans 5:2 says faith is how we gain access to God’s grace. James says Abraham was justified by works by offering Isaac upon the alter. Then if you were to read Hebrews 11, it then says…. BY FAITH Abraham offered up Isaac upon the alter. Same thing. Abraham’s works in offering Isaac upon the alter was just another way of saying… FAITH. Plus, nobody was around to witness Abraham offer Isaac upon the alter. So he was not being justified by works before men because no other people were present to witness the event.

Because you were making statements that contradicted the Bible.

correction; I made statements that contradicted your reading comprehension.

Correction. The burden of proof is on you to show how this is even so with Scripture.

To be doers of the word is to believe the gospel, that is, do believe the gospel. Abraham did believe and proved it by obeying God as far as with every intent to drive a knife through his son's heart, or his throat or other, because he believed God could raise him up again. And yet, God prevented Abraham from 'completely obeying' what He had commanded so then, was it actually God's will that Abraham actually do that?

But I DO believe in holiness unto the Lord and there is a way to attain it and a way which militates against it and makes it impossible to attain.

You have chosen the way that militates against holiness.

2 Corinthians 7.1. begins
Since we have these promises beloved ...
...let us therefore cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and spirit and make holiness perfect in the Lord

"beloved .." is that how you think of yourself? since we have these promises, what promises? you say commandments God says promises. What promises? receiving God's promises are the key to keeping His commands.

Yes I have the right to question you about your status, you've come preaching doctrines and how we all gotta live. Did God appoint you for that?

And you are preaching something you yourself have not attained. You still sin yet you beating on us.

Since we have these promises, God has promised us the free gift of eternal life if'n we believe. But YOU say it is neither a free gift nor is it eternal.

This gift you say must be earned and it comes and goes like the morning dew. Until you KNOW that you are saved and it is forever and ever you will never have the inner strength or faith to live it.

oops you sin and you think God is going to whack you, you think He may abandon you to the devil again. How can you fight the devil? he may yet have you back in his clutches.

You are being double minded, saved/unsaved, saved/unsaved, now in the light now in darkness God wants you to come BOLDLY to His throne of grace in full assurance of faith to find help in time of need.

That's the way to attain to holiness.

You say all these fine things but you commit atrocities against the brothers, assassinating their characters.

love thy neighbour ... where is your love for the late Charles Stanley?

Evil speaking, judging, gossiping are among the sins God hates most.

Should in 17th century english grammar is the perfect of shall.

You found a scripture that says "salvation can be lost?"

John 15
I am the vine and My Father is the vine dresser, every branch of Mine which bears no fruit He takes away ..."

That is distinct from "if any man does not abide in Me he is cast forth as a branch ... "

You do not abide in Christ, you trust in your own ability to be faithful.

You did not explain how a branch which has been cut off manages to get back onto the vine ...

Lol

Sorry. Your few works will not get you to heaven.

Don;t boast. But put your faith in the work of Christ.

Says or claims to have faith (but has no works) is the key word in James 2:14 which sets up the context. James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18) and not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God. (Romans 4:2-3)

Apart from authentic faith, all we have is a bad tree producing bad fruit (Matthew 7:17-20) and not a good tree producing good fruit. We see this in Matthew 7:22-23 who even though these many people will say to Jesus on that day, 'Lord, Lord, didn't WE' do many wonderful works etc.. Jesus will say to them, depart from me I never knew you which means they were never saved.

John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent (which is an intimate, experiential knowledge, found only in a relationship). The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Christ and not merely theoretical knowledge.

If these many people in Matthew 7:22-23 were saved, they would have said 'Lord, Lord, didn't YOU' die for our sins and were buried and rise again the third day to provide for us eternal life. We trust in YOU alone Lord as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.

Initial salvation means we are merely "initially" saved by grace through faith, not works, then after that, we are saved by works at the back door through the process of ongoing sanctification. I call that "type 2 works salvation" which culminates in back loading works into the gospel. (Romans 11:6)

agreed totally 😊

Actually, the gospel is described for us in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. The gospel is simply about believing and not doing. Just reread 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 and you will see it is all about a belief and not doing anything.

To be a doer of the Word is to obey the various instructions in God’s Word (i.e., the Bible). This is what we read about. For example: A man who bridleth not his tongue, their religion is in vain (James 1:26). Pure religion and undefiled is to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction (James 1:27). Do not have respect of persons in favoring the rich brethren over any poor brethren (James 2:1-7, which is continued in the use of other word throughout the chapter). These are all things that you do.

The confusion on your part only arises because of the corrupt Modern Translations that have flooded the market.

In Genesis 22:2, “offer him up” (KJB) is changed to: “sacrifice” in Modern Bibles (CEV, ERV, GW, TLB, MSG, NOG, NIV, NLT). God told Abraham to offer up Isaac and not to sacrifice him. So if certain Modern bibles are correct, the dilemma here is that either:

• Abraham did not obey God or:
• God changed His Word.

In other words, Abraham did obey by simply offering up his Son. That was the real instructions. The Modern Versions pervert this truth.

Hebrews 12:14 is not talking about believing on the finished work of the cross. The context of the very verse itself if you ever bothered to read it says that you are to also follow peace with all men as a part of the warning that we will not see the Lord. So you have to follow after holiness and follow peace with all men without which no man shall see the Lord. Following peace with all men is holy conduct or action on our part involving our Sanctification.

Not at all. I not only believe Romans 3:25 by trusting in the blood, but I also believe the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin if we also walk in the light as He is in the light as 1 John 1:7 says. Walking in the light = Loving your brother, which is expressed by the indirect wording in 1 John 2:9-11.

What promise was it just talking about?
Well, skip back to the previous chapter and reading at the end, we see this:

2 Corinthians 6:14-18

So you have to be holy and separate by not being yoked with unbelievers and not involve yourself with idols and then the Lord will receive and be a Father unto you, etcetera.

To believe on the name of Jesus is a commandment (Please see 1 John 3:23).
But even promises we have come with conditions in the New Covenant.
Show me a promise in the New Covenant, and if it deals with our salvation, it is usually tied with a condition.
I can show this to you in the Bible if you like. But it probably does not appeal to you.
Therefore, the fine print of details of the truth of the Bible is not something you appear to accept because it is not your idea of good news.

We are told to follow Jesus’ example in Scripture and He quoted God’s Word many times. So there is no need to be appointed to do such a thing if one is a believer in God’s Word.

I have no idea what my future holds. You just assume that I am enslaved to some kind of sin based on looking at your own life or the lives around you. This is not faith. We walk by faith and not by sight. Try reading 1 Peter 4:1-2 sometimes and get back to me.

In order for John 5:24 to apply for you, you have to HEAR (obey) God’s Word. Jesus said that the Jews were not of God because they did not hear or obey God’s words. He said the lusts of their father they will do (Which was the devil). Remember, 1 John 3:8 says that he that commits sin is of the devil. Eternal life is a person named Jesus Christ, and it is not a super power, or a magical wish granted to you by a genie. Christ alone has immorality (1 Timothy 6:16). Jesus said He is the way, the truth, and the life. He that has the Son has life, and he that does not have the Son does not have life (1 John 5:12). So you need to abide in the Son in order to have eternal life because He is the source of eternal life. No Jesus, and there is no life. How can you have an assurance that you know the Lord Jesus? By keeping His commands (1 John 2:3). The person who says they know the Lord and they do not keep His commands is a liar and the truth is not in them (1 John 2:4). What truth is not in them? Jesus because Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6).

This is a false accusation. The gift of salvation is not earned. The gift is received free by believing in the gospel message in that we are to believe that Christ died for our sins, He was buried, and risen the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). This also generally includes seeking forgiveness with the Lord Jesus Christ, as well (Romans 10:9) (Romans 10:13). But after we receive the gift who is Jesus Christ and His grace, we also know that grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live godly and righteously in this present world (See: Titus 2:11-12).

A believer can abide in spiritual death due to sin, and not be instantly killed by God physically. God is desiring this believer to repent (i.e., seek forgiveness with the LORD Jesus) with them forsaking that sin to be reconciled back to God. This is what 1 John 1:9, 1 John 1:7, and Proverbs 28:13 is all about (Which you do not understand).

The prodigal son was said to be “dead” and ”alive AGAIN” when he came home and sought forgiveness with his father. The prodigal son was dead spiritually while living it up with prostitutes. But when he came back home seeking forgiveness with his father, he was ”alive AGAIN” spiritually. If what you say is true, then the prodigal son could have continued to live it up with prostitutes and still be regarded as alive by his father. But that’s not how the parable plays out. James 5:19-20 teaches the same truth, and so you cannot play games with the parable and say it means something else entirely.

No. Galatians 5:24, 1 Peter 4:1-2, and 2 Corinthians 7:1 is the way of holiness but you have rejected such Scripture verses because you want the easy way out. Think. There are going to be many believers who will be shocked at the Judgment in that they will be cast out.
Have you not read Matthew 7:22-23? Have you not read Matthew 13:41-42? You should, and it should scare you. But I am afraid many today will refuse to see what I have shown in Scripture, and they will not learn of the danger they are truly in until they are at the Judgment. I do not desire you to be in that situation. So I am here to warn you by God’s Word to look at the whole counsel of His Word and not look at things from a wrong perspective that justifies turning God’s grace into a license for immorality or lasciviousness.

So then how do you explain the Parable of the Talents when it talks about how those who were faithful over a few things were told to enter the Joy of their Lord vs. the unprofitable servant who was cast into outer darkness where there was weeping and gnashing of teeth? See, unlike you, I cannot read this Parable and twist it beyond its most plain and child like reading. My soul is too important to play games with by such sloppy reading. There are many warnings about how sin can destroy our soul in the New Testament. But most like yourself are not looking at these verses. You must run past them really fast when you read your Bible. I mean, when Jesus warned about how looking at a woman in lust can cause us to be in danger of hellfire (Matthew 5:28-30), what do you do with that? Do you seek to explain it away? Paul says if any man does not agree with the words of Jesus Christ, and the doctrine according to godliness, he is proud, and he knows nothing (1 Timothy 6:3-4). James 4:6 says that God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble.

Also consider looking at Luke 10:25-28, as well.

So what do you do with verses like Galatians 6:8-9, 1 Timothy 5:8, and Titus 1:16? Do you just ignore them?
Are you even aware of these verses?

“….be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." (Revelation 2:10).

We are also told:



We are told to:

1. Continue in the grace of God (Acts of the Apostles 13:43).
2. Continue in the faith (Acts of the Apostles 14:22) (Colossians 1:23).
3. Continue in his goodness, otherwise we can be cut off (just like the Jews were cut off) (Romans 11:21-22).

Revelation 22:14-15

14 "Blessed are they that do his commandments,
that they may have right to the tree of life, and may
enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers,
and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie."

Yet you twisted it

Its no different that god silver and precious stone. Not every believe will have the same amount of works. But all of them will have some fruit. Because all of them had Faith,

we are saved by Grace THROUGH FAITH..

The one who hid it did not believe. they were lost like all non believers are

Unfortunately, Charles Stanley has passed away. But Charles was a false teacher. He taught an extreme form of Hyper Grace.
While I do not agree with the author’s hatred of trusting in the KJB, over Modern counterfeit bibles, they do a good write up on exposing Charle’s Stanley’s false Hyper Grace teaching. You can check that out here:

https://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/charles-stanley.htm

Uh, your inability of not explaining the Parable of the Talents is unsettling. Please address the points I brought up in the Parable. If not, you are just burying your head in the sand over this portion of God’s Word. Just saying I am twisting the parable and running out of the room to not explain anything does not mean anything. There is no substance to your words if you cannot back up what you say with the Bible.