Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?

@JimmyTheLock

I am nothing, and Christ is everything.

Where on Earth did I say that? That is your false assumption, friend. I told you before that Jesus operated by the Spirit at other times.

I believe Jesus was made lower than the angels and had a flesh and blood body. That is not in conflict with Jesus having His divine powers. Neither is such a thing in conflict with Him not being capable of sinning, either. Remember, Jesus is God. God cannot sin, and God cannot be anything less than God. Meaning if you take away God’s power and He is just a man, He is no longer God. Just as if Superman gave up his superpowers, he is no longer Superman.

This is cheating. You are connecting two verses together that are from entirely two different chapters. Yes, they are both true verses. But you are ignoring the latter half of what John 5:19 says and you believe John 14:10 over rides the latter half of what was said in John 5:19, and John 5:21. You don’t believe the part of John 5:19 that says, BUT WHAT HE SEETH THE FATHER DO: FOR WHAT THINGS SOEVER HE DOETH, THESE ALSO DOETH THE SON LIKEWISE. You don’t believe the latter half of John 5:21 that says, “EVEN SO THE SON QUICKENETH WHOM HE WILL.” (Which is contrasted with the Father quickening). You think John 14:10 erases these words.

I don’t believe in Tritheism. That is the false belief that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are three separate gods.
The Trinity is that the Lord our God is one God (in number), and yet He exists as three distinct persons.

Again, you are connecting John 14:10 to John 5:19 and John 5:21 in the wrong way. You are ignoring the latter half of John 5:19, and John 5:21. You don’t believe the latter half of John 5:19, and John 5:21 because you think John 14:10 over rides what they say. Unlike you, I believe both verses fully. I believe the Father does the works through Jesus at certain points in time, and at other times, Jesus the Son does what He sees the Father doing. Meaning, for whatever things the Father does, these also does the Son likewise as John 5:19 says. Meaning, just as the Father quickens others, the Son also quickens whom He wills (John 5:21).



Well, you are the one who is ignoring the latter half of John 5:19, and John 5:21.
You are the one who is ignoring Mark 2:7, Luke 7:44-50, John 14:6, John 1:29, Matthew 18:20, John 14:15, John 2:11, and John 14:13-14.

So this means Jesus could not have potentially sinned because God cannot be tempted with evil. Meaning, God has no internal desire or temptation like us to do any kind of wrong. Men sin because they are drawn away by their own lusts. God has no lusts and therefore Jesus could not have potentially sinned as you falsely claim.

Divine attributes; not privileges.

@JimmyTheLock

No. The reason why Jesus chose not sin is because He is simply not capable of sinning because He is God. The moment you accept Jesus is God fully is when you will begin to understand and accept the many verses I have shown in Scripture. So far you have not even explained the latter half of John 5:19, and John 5:21.

You said Jesus could have potentially sinned. Yet no verse actually says this, though.

No. James 4:7 is for us and not Jesus. Jesus did not need to submit to God because He is one with Him since eternity’s past. They are one God. Jesus is the second person of the Trinity. This is not the case for us.

You have repeatedly ignored the latter half of John 5:19, and John 5:21.

Sorry, you are rambling off into your own imaginary thoughts and not the Bible. Please quote actually verses of the Bible to make your case and not your own thoughts please.

My feelings were not hurt by any means. I am more afraid for you that you are attacking the Lord and His good character as revealed in Scripture than anything. I also realize that you are not saying directly that there is darkness in God. I am saying that is the logical conclusion you must eventually face if you falsely say Jesus could have potentially sinned. Again, a good tree cannot bring forth bad fruit and a bad tree cannot bring forth good fruit (See: Matthew 7). Meaning, Jesus is the good tree. He cannot potentially do evil because He is God and He is holy. No matter what test you put God in, He can never fail. There is no chance that God can ever fail or even potentially do wrong because He is God. This is what you fail to understand about the Lord our God. He is more pure and holy than you actually think He is.

I am not a mind reader. I was only guessing as to your thinking on how it is wrong. But do not fool yourself that others may think this way. I have talked with other Christians who believe Jesus actually sinned. So there are all kinds of crazy ideas about Jesus out there. I am concerned about your view of Jesus because much of what you say about Him is not actually taken straight from the Scriptures but your own thinking. We are bible believers and we are not Charismatics.

But again, you were the one who said Jesus could have potentially sinned and yet you have no Bible verse that even says that.
So what you are saying about our Lord is unbiblical.

Don’t insult me. I am not an OSAS believer or one of those sin and still be saved Christians. I believe without holiness, no man shall see the Lord. This is living holy by the Spirit. Salvation is conditional and we need both God’s grace and Sanctification in order to make it into His Kingdom. If we are not resisting sin and overcoming it by God’s power, we are not going to inherit the Kingdom of God.

Jesus says the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.
We are to crucify the affections and lusts.
This is internal, and if men do not crucify the affections and lusts, they can be slaves to sin.
It’s why some Christians cannot stop sinning even when they desire to stop.

Yes, that is part of it, but we must crucify the affections and lusts according to Galatians 5:24.
2 Corinthians 7:1 says let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
So there is cleansing of ourselves involved.

What is it with the fancy words here?
Yes, I do recall hearing this word in the past.
But it really is a full time job to try and keep up with all these terms.
So just speak plainly. I am only speaking what I know is the truth of God’s Word.
This is not about egos here. I am not looking to beat my chest and roar like a lion and say I was right.
I don’t get a drug rush when I am right and I get someone to see that they were wrong.
I admit when I am wrong. I am hoping you will do the same.
We have to remember, that we are nothing and Christ is everything. At the end of the day, Scripture wins. The Lord Jesus will win. Every knee will bow to Him.

Yep. The NLT in Philippians 2:7 is even worse than we thought. The KJV is superior.

It's a great study, but has to go beyond Strongs. They are all proper names and have been transliterated to approximate the pronunciation(not translated). So if you can find an original roots book or site maybe? They dive deeper into the original proper names.

One I can remember off the top of my head is Seth. Strongs has "Substituted "

Going back to the proper name of Seth, it is Closer to "appointed"....
Gen 4:25~~And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth. For,'said she , God hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel; for Cain slew him.

It has been a while for me, but if you wanted to look into it it's very interesting!

Okay, so His temptation was a sham.

JimmyTheLock said:
God's Word says He was tempted in ALL things like we are tempted

QUOTE="Bible_Highlighter, post: 5201875, member: 327699"]Out of your beginning set of words, this is the only part that is actually biblical. Your next part of your words are your own thoughts, and not the words of the Bible.[/QUOTE]
Heb 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.

Whatever lens you prefer to look through in order to see error is up to you.
The external temptation was very real. That is only way Christ was tempted. It was all eternal temptation.
Scripture says God cannot be tempted by evil.
If you believe Jesus is God, then this rules out any possibility that He could be tempted to do evil. Period.
Besides, the test was to show that Jesus is the Son of God to all — including the devil.
In fact, seeing the devil figured out that Jesus was really the Son of God, He no longer bothered to tempt Him again.
If you paid close attention to the details of the scene we see the devil saying this twice to Jesus.

If thou be the Son of God, (Matthew 4:3).
If thou be the Son of God, (Matthew 4:6).

Notice. The devil said twice in Matthew 4, …. IF thou be the Son of God.
So he was testing to see IF He was the Son of God.

Later, demons declared Jesus to be the Son of God.

“And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?” (Matthew 8:29).

The cat was out of the bag. His identity was confirmed by the devil’s test or temptation (Which was all external to the LORD of course).
They also did not think He was powerless, either. Meaning, they did not think He was like Superman who lost his powers. They said if He came to torment them before the time.

“…God cannot be tempted with evil,…” (James 1:13).
Yet, we know Jesus is God and it says that He was tempted in all points like us (Hebrews 4:15).

But lets read 1 Corinthians 10:9.

1 Corinthians 10:9
”Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.”

This story took place in Numbers 21, and it was the LORD who was present. This was the pre-incarnate Christ and He was tempted in the Old Testament before He took on flesh.

So this means that Jesus (GOD) was EXTERNALLY tempted.
Jesus who is God cannot be tempted with evil — meaning He cannot consider or have any interest in evil because it is contrary to God’s nature. God is holy and good and love.

Meant to say EXTERNAL temptation.

See post #1688 and post #1689.

In addition, Hebrews 7:26 says,
”For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;”

So there was no defilement in Jesus to even potentially sin. Hebrews 7:26 says He was undefiled and separate from sinners. It’s why He was born of a virgin woman. Sin is passed down by the male seed. We know this because Romans says sin entered the world through one man (Romans 5:12), and yet we know Eve sinned first (See: Genesis 3). In fact, the Messianic prophecy of Jesus being born of the seed of the woman is found in Genesis 3.

The Lord Jesus Christ is 100% humanity and undiminished Deity in one person. His humanity and Deity never co-mingle. The tempter was tempting His humanity. He can't tempt God.
And the "if" is a first class conditional clause........IF(and you are) the Son of God.....satan knew he was the son of God.

Heb 7:26 is The Lord Jesus Christ sitting at the right hand of the Father. Glorified. Post resurrection.

Yet, we can still say "Undefiled" and "separate from sinners" while he was on this earth.

He did not sin and he did not have a sin nature. As you say, that comes from Adams original sin.

Good point, but the mother of Zebedee's children may not have been aware of the power structure, and if she was, she did ask about the afterlife, not the world of the living where Peter was placed as a chief apostle. And the disciples argued about who was the greatest (or best), not who was the leader. In Mathew 11:11 Jesus said John the Baptist is the greatest of all born of women, but he wasn't even a disciple of Jesus or in any leadership role. The same Greek word used in Mathew 11:11 -μείζων (meizōn)- is also used in Luke 9:46 where they argued about who was the greatest. It means large or great, not necessarily chief.

They were destroyed because they tempted God.

The Lord Jesus Christ temporarily laid aside His independent use of His deity during the hypostatic union. His true and 100% humanity was being tested/tempted while He lived on this earth.

Humanity needs a perfect/unblemished human Savior. And to think that God lowered Himself to that is unthinkable/unimaginable! No words can describe it.

Please show this in Scripture.

But isn’t odd that Jesus was never tempted again by the devil?
It only took place once. This suggests it was a test to see who He was.

Okay. You don’t appear to understand what 1 Corinthians 10:9 says.

1 Corinthians 10:9
”Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.”

This verse is saying that the event in numbers is that the Israelites tempted Christ in the serpent on the pole narrative in Numbers 21.

That is false. Hebrews 7:26 is saying that He was made higher than the Heavens. So it is referring to His body that He would have during His earthly ministry. He was not made higher than the heavens after the Incarnation. That would be denying part of what the verse actually says.

Jesus was simply incapable of sinning because on the inside of His body was ALL God and not a human soul. If Jesus joined with a human soul or if one was tailored made for Him, then He could not say He came down from Heaven in John chapter 6 (Seeing He was a newly created being that did not exist before). If Jesus was a newly created being, neither could Jesus declare that He was the “I AM” from Exodus 3 in John chapter 8 to the Jews (Whereby they wanted to pick up stones and kill him for such a declaration).

Yes, I understand it. Maybe the confusion comes from the hypostatic union? Jesus(humanity of Christ) Did not go to the Isrealites. Christ(God) did.