Orthodox Jew answers a few questions

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Aviva

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Well, welcome aboard Aviva. Hopefully you'll hang around and join other conversations.
I'm not a Christian and therefore have no stake in any of the conversations. My Christian sister in law just thought it would be amusing if I stuck my head in.
 

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As the title says, I'm an Orthodox Jewish woman. My Christian sister in law asked me to post a little about us since the subject has come up recently due to recent world issues to answer some confusion/misinformation.

1. Why don't you have sacrifices?
A. Because they can only be done at the temple in Jerusalem buy a Levitical priest. Since the temple no longer exists we can no longer do this.

2. How do you get forgiveness?
A. repent and make restitution, depending on the offended party. (G-d, a person, etc...)

3. What is the Talmud?
A. It is a large number of books containing very boring debates and commentary on the Torah. Although considered scripture it is not additional laws, it is opinions and rulings base don existing law (The Torah).

4. Why don't Jews believe in Jesus?
A. Because we do not believe he meets the requirements to be the Messiah. There are numerous commentaries online if you really want a deeper answer.

5. Do you believe in Hell, the Devil, or the afterlife?
A. No, not really and yes.

Cheers!
question #4: people who don't believe in Jesus are hellhound. that simple!
 

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Welcome Aviva, my dad is Jewish and thought Jesus was a good man and that was it. However, through the years he saw our commitment and listened to our reasons and fully accepted Jesus as Savior. Lee Strobel, who was an atheist and of Jewish lineage, set out to prove Christianity a hoax, and came to the conclusion it's authentic. He's published books like 'The Case For Christ'. God bless and keep you, glad you are here✨
 

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I'm not a Christian and therefore have no stake in any of the conversations.
That's a logical fallacy. Besides which, since you have already displayed your ego here, I would say you have a stake.
 

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As the title says, I'm an Orthodox Jewish woman. My Christian sister in law asked me to post a little about us since the subject has come up recently due to recent world issues to answer some confusion/misinformation.

1. Why don't you have sacrifices?
A. Because they can only be done at the temple in Jerusalem buy a Levitical priest. Since the temple no longer exists we can no longer do this.

2. How do you get forgiveness?
A. repent and make restitution, depending on the offended party. (G-d, a person, etc...)

3. What is the Talmud?
A. It is a large number of books containing very boring debates and commentary on the Torah. Although considered scripture it is not additional laws, it is opinions and rulings base don existing law (The Torah).

4. Why don't Jews believe in Jesus?
A. Because we do not believe he meets the requirements to be the Messiah. There are numerous commentaries online if you really want a deeper answer.

5. Do you believe in Hell, the Devil, or the afterlife?
A. No, not really and yes.

Cheers!
Is there the Nefesh Elohim?
 

Aviva

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That's a logical fallacy. Besides which, since you have already displayed your ego here, I would say you have a stake.
A logical fallacy is an error in reasoning, such as making irrelevant arguments or baseless assertions.

I'm not trying to or interested in converting anyone, so why would I want to participate in discussions that don't concern me? More importantly, why would I go into a Christian forum and intrude on a space that isn't designed for me with (likely unwelcome) outside points of view?

If you think you know more about what is and isn't Jewish then a lifelong Orthodox Jew, and me pointing out that hubris makes me egotistical in your view, then I dunno what to tell you.
 

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Aviva this is why I was saying that you should hang around a bit more and join other topics, because you have a sense of humor.
I‘m sure that we can find you some kosher food in the meantime during your stay.
 

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A logical fallacy is an error in reasoning, such as making irrelevant arguments or baseless assertions.

I'm not trying to or interested in converting anyone, so why would I want to participate in discussions that don't concern me? More importantly, why would I go into a Christian forum and intrude on a space that isn't designed for me with (likely unwelcome) outside points of view?

If you think you know more about what is and isn't Jewish then a lifelong Orthodox Jew, and me pointing out that hubris makes me egotistical in your view, then I dunno what to tell you.
With the stakes of eternal destination being so high, would you be open to hearing the Gospel, from a Torah perspective, in ways maybe you haven't heard before?

Just in case you say no, let me give you just one. Probably my favorite one from Genesis. If this intrigues you at all, please let me know, and I'll present others that are just as compelling:

The seemingly boring and unimportant genealogy of Genesis 5.
This is the "Christian" Gospel. Directly embedded in the Torah.

Man (is) appointed mortal sorrow; (but) the Blessed God shall come down teaching (that) His death shall bring (the) despairing rest.

Adam - Man
Seth - Appointed
Enosh - Mortal
Kenan - Sorrow
Mahalalel - The Blessed God
Jared - Shall come down
Enoch - Teaching
Methuselah - His death shall bring
Lamech - The despairing
Noah - Rest


Adam
Adam’s name means “man”. As the first man, that seems straight forward enough.

Seth
Adam’s son was named Seth, which means “appointed”. Eve said, “For God hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.”[4]

Enosh
Seth’s son was called Enosh, which means “mortal, frail, or miserable”. It is from the root anash, “to be incurable”, used of a wound, grief, woe, sickness, or wickedness.

It was in the days of Enosh that men began to defile the name of the Living God.[5]

Kenan
Enosh’s son was named Kenan, which can mean “sorrow, dirge, or elegy”. (The precise denotation is somewhat elusive; some study aids unfortunately presume that Kenan is synonymous with Cainan.)

Balaam, looking down from the heights of Moab, uses a pun upon the name of the Kenites when he prophesies their destruction.[6]

We have no real idea as to why these names were chosen for their children. Often they may have referred to circumstances at birth, and so on.

Mahalalel
Kenan’s son was Mahalalel, from mahalal which means blessed or praise; and El, the name for God. Thus, Mahalalel means the “Blessed God”. Often Hebrew names include El, the name of God, as Dan-i-el, “God is my Judge”, etc.

Jared
Mahalalel’s son was named Jared, from the verb yaradh, meaning “shall come down”.[7]

Enoch
Jared’s son was named Enoch, which means “teaching, or commencement”. He was the first of four generations of preachers. In fact, the earliest recorded prophecy was by Enoch, which amazingly enough deals with the Second Coming of Christ (although it is quoted in the Book of Jude in the New Testament):

Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, “Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against.”
Jude 14–15
Methuselah
Enoch was the father of Methuselah, who we have already mentioned. Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah.[8] Apparently, Enoch received the prophecy of the Great Flood, and was told that as long as his son was alive, the judgment of the flood would be withheld. The year that Methuselah died, the flood came.

Enoch, of course, never died: he was translated[9] (or, if you’ll excuse the expression, raptured). That’s how Methuselah can be the oldest man in the Bible, yet he died before his father!

Lamech
Methuselah’s son was named Lamech, a root still evident today in our own English word, “lament or lamentation”. Lamech suggests despairing.

(This name is also linked to the Lamech in Cain’s line who inadvertently killed his son Tubal-Cain in a hunting incident.[10])

Noah
Lamech, of course, is the father of Noah, which is derived from nacham, “to bring relief or comfort”, as Lamech himself explains in Genesis 5:29.
 

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With the stakes of eternal destination being so high, would you be open to hearing the Gospel, from a Torah perspective, in ways maybe you haven't heard before?
I've read the first four gospels and I'm well aware of what it says. The reason I'm ignoring theological questions is because:

1. People will attack me.
2. Most questions or not sincerely asked. They are phrased in such a way as the asker has already inserted what they think is the answer. I don't have much regard for "Have you stopped beating your wife?" type questions.
3. This isn't a Jewish forum and I have no desire to be a disruption. (Well, not too much of one...)
 

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I've read the first four gospels and I'm well aware of what it says. The reason I'm ignoring theological questions is because:

1. People will attack me.
2. Most questions or not sincerely asked. They are phrased in such a way as the asker has already inserted what they think is the answer. I don't have much regard for "Have you stopped beating your wife?" type questions.
3. This isn't a Jewish forum and I have no desire to be a disruption. (Well, not too much of one...)
Well, I’m certainly not attacking you.
I don’t think anyone here is.
I assume you read, trust and believe the Torah.

So I’m appealing to you on that level. Did you read my post? And if so, what are your thoughts on it?
 

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A logical fallacy is an error in reasoning, such as making irrelevant arguments or baseless assertions.

I'm not trying to or interested in converting anyone, so why would I want to participate in discussions that don't concern me? More importantly, why would I go into a Christian forum and intrude on a space that isn't designed for me with (likely unwelcome) outside points of view?

If you think you know more about what is and isn't Jewish then a lifelong Orthodox Jew, and me pointing out that hubris makes me egotistical in your view, then I dunno what to tell you.
Aviva, if you are not interested in discussing anything, then why are you here? I suspect you may believe in Jesus as christ as the messiah but will not commit, I know that it is a death whish for orthodox Jews who believe in Christ as they will lose their family but there is only one truth, all of the Torah points to Christ as you know very well, Jesus fulfilled the law and the prophets. Know that I am not against Jews in any way. If you want to participate in discussions then welcome.

Shalom.
 

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Aviva, if you are not interested in discussing anything, then why are you here? I suspect you may believe in Jesus as christ as the messiah but will not commit, I know that it is a death whish for orthodox Jews who believe in Christ as they will lose their family but there is only one truth, all of the Torah points to Christ as you know very well, Jesus fulfilled the law and the prophets. Know that I am not against Jews in any way. If you want to participate in discussions then welcome.

Shalom.
If I'm told to go, I'll go. I don't go where I've been expressly uninvited. Since you negative voted what I think is a pretty uncontroversial post I doubt you really care what I think anyway.

EDIT: You should also refrain from telling people what you think is in their head unless you're professing psychic abilities... especially someone you've only known for about 7 seconds.
 

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If I'm told to go, I'll go. I don't go where I've been expressly uninvited. Since you negative voted what I think is a pretty uncontroversial post I doubt you really care what I think anyway.
Despite what you may think, many would benefit from your understanding of Judaism. But you should be aware that they will look to find the completion of what you share in Jesus. And you shouldn't think it odd that those who have found life in Him would want that same life for everyone.
I hope you stay and share. Grace and peace.
 

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I know this is completely unrelated, but why under marital status is there no "widow" option?
 

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Despite what you may think, many would benefit from your understanding of Judaism. But you should be aware that they will look to find the completion of what you share in Jesus. And you shouldn't think it odd that those who have found life in Him would want that same life for everyone.
I hope you stay and share. Grace and peace.
Well, if you really want to understand Jews my first suggestion is not using terms like "completed" or "completed Jew" if you value any further discourse with said Jew. Even if you believe it, observant Jews don't and will find that extremely obnoxious and offensive.

I'm not mad or wagging my finger at you, just a friendly FYI.
 

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If I'm told to go, I'll go. I don't go where I've been expressly uninvited. Since you negative voted what I think is a pretty uncontroversial post I doubt you really care what I think anyway.

EDIT: You should also refrain from telling people what you think is in their head unless you're professing psychic abilities... especially someone you've only known for about 7 seconds.
I do care about what you think more than you can imagine. I am not psychic but I have an advantage many do not have.

I hope you will stay with us.

Peace.
 

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I do care about what you think more than you can imagine. I am not psychic but I have an advantage many do not have.

I hope you will stay with us.

Peace.
I'm very intrigued, what advantage do you have the gives you mind reading powers?
 

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I'm very intrigued, what advantage do you have the gives you mind reading powers?
You would not understand, at this point. if you read some of my previous posts you might find out.

I really want you to stay.

Blessings.
 
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